Comments on: Drop Correctly to Avoid a Penalty http://www.ncga.org/2006/04/03/drop-correctly-to-avoid-a-penalty/ Northern California Golf Association Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:47:58 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: RAY MARCIANO http://www.ncga.org/2006/04/03/drop-correctly-to-avoid-a-penalty/comment-page-1/#comment-1153 RAY MARCIANO Tue, 21 Oct 2008 04:58:42 +0000 http://thebacknine.ncga.org/2006/04/03/drop-correctly-to-avoid-a-penalty/#comment-1153 RED STAKES RED STAKES

]]> By: RAY MARCIANO http://www.ncga.org/2006/04/03/drop-correctly-to-avoid-a-penalty/comment-page-1/#comment-1152 RAY MARCIANO Tue, 21 Oct 2008 04:56:08 +0000 http://thebacknine.ncga.org/2006/04/03/drop-correctly-to-avoid-a-penalty/#comment-1152 A couple of weeks ago, we played Sunol Valley Golf Course Tournment play. we played the PALM Course on hole number 15 it is a par 5, 1 player hit it into the water hazard/creek on the left hand side of the cart path(RED STAKES), he did not have a 5th shot. He read in a Rules book that he can bring the ball back as far as he can, and i told him(only if there are YELLOW STAKES).I think all players need to carry a RULES OF THE GAME. please e-mail me who is right and who is wrong, i feel like i am playing with a bunch of CRY-BABIES. A couple of weeks ago, we played Sunol Valley Golf Course Tournment play. we played the PALM Course on hole number 15 it is a par 5, 1 player hit it into the water hazard/creek on the left hand side of the cart path(RED STAKES), he did not have a 5th shot. He read in a Rules book that he can bring the ball back as far as he can, and i told him(only if there are YELLOW STAKES).I think all players need to carry a RULES OF THE GAME.

please e-mail me who is right and who is wrong, i feel like i am playing with a bunch of CRY-BABIES.

]]> By: Ian http://www.ncga.org/2006/04/03/drop-correctly-to-avoid-a-penalty/comment-page-1/#comment-995 Ian Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:21:20 +0000 http://thebacknine.ncga.org/2006/04/03/drop-correctly-to-avoid-a-penalty/#comment-995 Hello, I've got a few questions that seem appropriate to this topic: 1. I've come across the situation where a (usually lateral) water hazard lies next to the cart path, but the path itself is not in the hazard. There is not enough room to drop the ball outside the hazard and have sufficient relief from the cart path (sometimes one edge of the cart path is essentially the border of the hazard). Every time I have encountered this on the course (including tournaments), the player has dropped within one club length of the nearest point of relief from the cart path. However, I see no place in the rules where that would be permitted. As I see it, the player would have to drop the ball on the cart path or the small strip of grass between the path and the hazard, then after the ball has come to rest (if within two club lengths of where it landed) take relief from the cart path (on the other side because the nearest point of relief cannot be in a hazard). Is this correct? 2. When dropping after hitting into a lateral water hazard under 26-1(c), am I correct that the player is not guaranteed to have a stance outside the water hazard after the ball is dropped? For example, if there is a hill that slopes towards the water, and the ball is dropped a few feet away from the hazard and rolls back to the very edge, the ball is in play even though the player has no stance? 3. If a player is dropping near a water hazard and the ball is clearly rolling into the hazard (and has crossed the margin of the hazard), can another player stop the ball from going into the water so that the player does not lose one or two balls during the dropping process? I don't see anything in the rules about this, so I would assume this is not allowed, although I have seen this practice in tournaments. Thank you so much for your time, and I look forward to reading the answers. Hello, I’ve got a few questions that seem appropriate to this topic:

1. I’ve come across the situation where a (usually lateral) water hazard lies next to the cart path, but the path itself is not in the hazard. There is not enough room to drop the ball outside the hazard and have sufficient relief from the cart path (sometimes one edge of the cart path is essentially the border of the hazard). Every time I have encountered this on the course (including tournaments), the player has dropped within one club length of the nearest point of relief from the cart path. However, I see no place in the rules where that would be permitted. As I see it, the player would have to drop the ball on the cart path or the small strip of grass between the path and the hazard, then after the ball has come to rest (if within two club lengths of where it landed) take relief from the cart path (on the other side because the nearest point of relief cannot be in a hazard). Is this correct?

2. When dropping after hitting into a lateral water hazard under 26-1(c), am I correct that the player is not guaranteed to have a stance outside the water hazard after the ball is dropped? For example, if there is a hill that slopes towards the water, and the ball is dropped a few feet away from the hazard and rolls back to the very edge, the ball is in play even though the player has no stance?

3. If a player is dropping near a water hazard and the ball is clearly rolling into the hazard (and has crossed the margin of the hazard), can another player stop the ball from going into the water so that the player does not lose one or two balls during the dropping process? I don’t see anything in the rules about this, so I would assume this is not allowed, although I have seen this practice in tournaments.

Thank you so much for your time, and I look forward to reading the answers.

]]> By: Gail Rogers http://www.ncga.org/2006/04/03/drop-correctly-to-avoid-a-penalty/comment-page-1/#comment-832 Gail Rogers Mon, 19 May 2008 22:26:52 +0000 http://thebacknine.ncga.org/2006/04/03/drop-correctly-to-avoid-a-penalty/#comment-832 Dear J, When taking a drop the ball must first strike the course within the 1 or 2 club-lengths prescribed under the applicable rule. (1 club length for drops without penalty; 2 clubs-lengths for drops with penalty.) The ball can strike anywhere withing that area and can roll up to 2 club-lenghts from the point where it first strikes the course as long as it is not nearer the hole, etc. (see Rule 20-2c for when to re-drop)The ball does not have to stay within the drop area. If a re-drop is required as outlined in 20-2c, it is dropped a second time. At this point if the ball is in a spot that would require a re-drop, the ball is placed on the spot where it first struck the course on that second drop. Basic rule of thumb drop in the proper spot twice and then place. Gail Dear J,

When taking a drop the ball must first strike the course within the 1 or 2 club-lengths prescribed under the applicable rule. (1 club length for drops without penalty; 2 clubs-lengths for drops with penalty.)
The ball can strike anywhere withing that area and can roll up to 2 club-lenghts from the point where it first strikes the course as long as it is not nearer the hole, etc. (see Rule 20-2c for when to re-drop)The ball does not have to stay within the drop area. If a re-drop is required as outlined in 20-2c, it is dropped a second time. At this point if the ball is in a spot that would require a re-drop, the ball is placed on the spot where it first struck the course on that second drop. Basic rule of thumb drop in the proper spot twice and then place.

Gail

]]> By: JGreen http://www.ncga.org/2006/04/03/drop-correctly-to-avoid-a-penalty/comment-page-1/#comment-828 JGreen Fri, 16 May 2008 22:04:48 +0000 http://thebacknine.ncga.org/2006/04/03/drop-correctly-to-avoid-a-penalty/#comment-828 The drop above, where it would not land in the small are that was the nearest point of relief it is stated - "That is true in most situations because the ball easily strikes the course with in the required club-length when dropped. In that case, when the target area is only a few inches sometimes a few drops are required. Remember, the drop does not count until the ball finally lands within the target area. So, if the area is small and sloped and you cannot get the ball to drop and stay there, what do you do. I usually see them drop a couple times and if the ball rolls closer or outside of the 1 club length from the nearest point of relief, then they place the ball in the intended drop area. What I am seeking is what the difference between situations is for being able to place after a few attempts to drop. I know at a lateral water hazard, with a bank, you can place after a couple of tries if the ball keeps rolling back toward the water. What is the definitive difference? Thanks in advance for any clarification. J The drop above, where it would not land in the small are that was the nearest point of relief it is stated – “That is true in most situations because the ball easily strikes the course with in the required club-length when dropped. In that case, when the target area is only a few inches sometimes a few drops are required. Remember, the drop does not count until the ball finally lands within the target area.

So, if the area is small and sloped and you cannot get the ball to drop and stay there, what do you do. I usually see them drop a couple times and if the ball rolls closer or outside of the 1 club length from the nearest point of relief, then they place the ball in the intended drop area.

What I am seeking is what the difference between situations is for being able to place after a few attempts to drop. I know at a lateral water hazard, with a bank, you can place after a couple of tries if the ball keeps rolling back toward the water. What is the definitive difference?

Thanks in advance for any clarification.

J

]]> By: roc http://www.ncga.org/2006/04/03/drop-correctly-to-avoid-a-penalty/comment-page-1/#comment-746 roc Fri, 18 Apr 2008 06:44:18 +0000 http://thebacknine.ncga.org/2006/04/03/drop-correctly-to-avoid-a-penalty/#comment-746 so when the ball lands on the edge of a cart path and you take a club lenght and drop and the ball rolls back to the cart path and you drop again and the samething happen do you place it on the spot it hit? thx roc so when the ball lands on the edge of a cart path and you take a club lenght and drop and the ball rolls back to the cart path and you drop again and the samething happen do you place it on the spot it hit?

thx
roc

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