Comments on: STOP! Don’t Touch that Ball on the Cart Path http://www.ncga.org/2007/04/01/stop-don%e2%80%99t-touch-that-ball-on-the-cart-path/ Northern California Golf Association Sat, 20 Mar 2010 19:01:33 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: handes http://www.ncga.org/2007/04/01/stop-don%e2%80%99t-touch-that-ball-on-the-cart-path/comment-page-1/#comment-3431 handes Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:11:00 +0000 http://thebacknine.ncga.org/2007/06/20/stop-don%e2%80%99t-touch-that-ball-on-the-cart-path/#comment-3431 [...] I couldn't eat anything else for a whole year! Yes, that infamous line of the post titleSTOP! Don't Touch that Ball on the Cart Path -- Northern ...Afer that relief is taken if a right handes stroke is avaialbe, he can play right handed. The key is [...] [...] I couldn't eat anything else for a whole year! Yes, that infamous line of the post titleSTOP! Don't Touch that Ball on the Cart Path — Northern …Afer that relief is taken if a right handes stroke is avaialbe, he can play right handed. The key is [...]

]]> By: Ryan Gregg http://www.ncga.org/2007/04/01/stop-don%e2%80%99t-touch-that-ball-on-the-cart-path/comment-page-1/#comment-3340 Ryan Gregg Sun, 21 Feb 2010 14:49:35 +0000 http://thebacknine.ncga.org/2007/06/20/stop-don%e2%80%99t-touch-that-ball-on-the-cart-path/#comment-3340 Ted, Rule 24-2 states that the nearest point of relief cannot be in a hazard, on a putting green, out of bounds or nearer the hole. The player would have to determine the nearest point of relief on the other side of the obstruction. Ted,
Rule 24-2 states that the nearest point of relief cannot be in a hazard, on a putting green, out of bounds or nearer the hole. The player would have to determine the nearest point of relief on the other side of the obstruction.

]]> By: Ted Chia http://www.ncga.org/2007/04/01/stop-don%e2%80%99t-touch-that-ball-on-the-cart-path/comment-page-1/#comment-3338 Ted Chia Sat, 20 Feb 2010 15:17:43 +0000 http://thebacknine.ncga.org/2007/06/20/stop-don%e2%80%99t-touch-that-ball-on-the-cart-path/#comment-3338 Hi, I have a Question: What if the nearest point of relief from the cart path has been properly determined and is in the hazard or putting green or is out of bounds, does it mean that there is no nearest point of relief for that particular situation and that the player needs to play the ball as it lies on the cart path or has to take a penalty drop? Hi, I have a Question:
What if the nearest point of relief from the cart path has been properly determined and is in the hazard or putting green or is out of bounds, does it mean that there is no nearest point of relief for that particular situation and that the player needs to play the ball as it lies on the cart path or has to take a penalty drop?

]]> By: John Vander Borght http://www.ncga.org/2007/04/01/stop-don%e2%80%99t-touch-that-ball-on-the-cart-path/comment-page-1/#comment-2425 John Vander Borght Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:08:22 +0000 http://thebacknine.ncga.org/2007/06/20/stop-don%e2%80%99t-touch-that-ball-on-the-cart-path/#comment-2425 Howard, The USGA's Decisions on the Rules of Golf has some diagrams that might be helpful. Decision 25-1b/2 is a good reference. You can find it by cutting and pasting this link: http://www.usga.org/bookdecision.aspx?id=14303#25-1b/2 Howard,
The USGA’s Decisions on the Rules of Golf has some diagrams that might be helpful. Decision 25-1b/2 is a good reference. You can find it by cutting and pasting this link: http://www.usga.org/bookdecision.aspx?id=14303#25-1b/2

]]> By: Howard Paul http://www.ncga.org/2007/04/01/stop-don%e2%80%99t-touch-that-ball-on-the-cart-path/comment-page-1/#comment-2423 Howard Paul Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:21:25 +0000 http://thebacknine.ncga.org/2007/06/20/stop-don%e2%80%99t-touch-that-ball-on-the-cart-path/#comment-2423 It is very unclear which 2 club lengths and which one club length from what point. I might suggest a graphic would help people a lot. For instance show the cart path. Show the 2 points for consideration ie left and right of Cart path. Then show the drop zone with a circle (2 club length or 1 club length). If thereis a book you know of that illustrates this already let me know I'll buy one today! It is very unclear which 2 club lengths and which one club length from what point. I might suggest a graphic would help people a lot. For instance show the cart path. Show the 2 points for consideration ie left and right of Cart path. Then show the drop zone with a circle (2 club length or 1 club length). If thereis a book you know of that illustrates this already let me know I’ll buy one today!

]]> By: Sue Bowser http://www.ncga.org/2007/04/01/stop-don%e2%80%99t-touch-that-ball-on-the-cart-path/comment-page-1/#comment-1163 Sue Bowser Fri, 24 Oct 2008 22:30:30 +0000 http://thebacknine.ncga.org/2007/06/20/stop-don%e2%80%99t-touch-that-ball-on-the-cart-path/#comment-1163 Hi Gail, I just played with a person who uses a long putter. His Putter was longer than his driver. Since his putter was an approved club and he was only playing with 14 clubs, he used this long putter to measure 'one club length'. Is this acceptable? I'm assuming it is, but I could not find a decision in the Decision Book and wanted a confirmation. Thanks. Sue Hi Gail,

I just played with a person who uses a long putter. His Putter was longer than his driver. Since his putter was an approved club and he was only playing with 14 clubs, he used this long putter to measure ‘one club length’. Is this acceptable? I’m assuming it is, but I could not find a decision in the Decision Book and wanted a confirmation. Thanks. Sue

]]> By: Gail Rogers http://www.ncga.org/2007/04/01/stop-don%e2%80%99t-touch-that-ball-on-the-cart-path/comment-page-1/#comment-1081 Gail Rogers Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:21:51 +0000 http://thebacknine.ncga.org/2007/06/20/stop-don%e2%80%99t-touch-that-ball-on-the-cart-path/#comment-1081 Ian, Decision 24-2b/17 is the decision you are looking for. If a right handed player has no shot right handed, but can make a stroke left handed and now finds he has interference from an obstruction, he can take relief form the obstruction. Afer that relief is taken if a right handes stroke is avaialbe, he can play right handed. The key is that his left-handed stroke while abnormal for him is reasonable in the circumstances. Regarding ht esecond question,Decsion 24-2b/3.5 provides the answer. It a boundary fence prevents the player form adopting the required address positon, the nearest point of releif must be estimated and the ball dropped within one club-length of that point, no nearer the hole. Gail Rogers Driectof of Education Ian,

Decision 24-2b/17 is the decision you are looking for. If a right handed player has no shot right handed, but can make a stroke left handed and now finds he has interference from an obstruction, he can take relief form the obstruction. Afer that relief is taken if a right handes stroke is avaialbe, he can play right handed.

The key is that his left-handed stroke while abnormal for him is reasonable in the circumstances.

Regarding ht esecond question,Decsion 24-2b/3.5 provides the answer. It a boundary fence prevents the player form adopting the required address positon, the nearest point of releif must be estimated and the ball dropped within one club-length of that point, no nearer the hole.

Gail Rogers
Driectof of Education

]]> By: Ian L. http://www.ncga.org/2007/04/01/stop-don%e2%80%99t-touch-that-ball-on-the-cart-path/comment-page-1/#comment-1071 Ian L. Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:15:41 +0000 http://thebacknine.ncga.org/2007/06/20/stop-don%e2%80%99t-touch-that-ball-on-the-cart-path/#comment-1071 And a question: If I cannot take a stance due to an O.B. fence, is that still my nearest point of relief? And a question:

If I cannot take a stance due to an O.B. fence, is that still my nearest point of relief?

]]> By: Ian L. http://www.ncga.org/2007/04/01/stop-don%e2%80%99t-touch-that-ball-on-the-cart-path/comment-page-1/#comment-1070 Ian L. Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:12:41 +0000 http://thebacknine.ncga.org/2007/06/20/stop-don%e2%80%99t-touch-that-ball-on-the-cart-path/#comment-1070 "Tony, I recently saw a tip showing that your friend is correct in this rule. It is possible to address the ball left handed to gain the cart path rule. After moving to the closest point of relief, you are no longer obliged to address left handed anymore. A useful twist, if you know the rules. Am certain that this would likely cause a strong rebuttal from a friend “like you” but I saw this published in Golf Digest, I believe. Gail, can you confirm?" That's not true in almost every case. You must use the stance you would take to make the swing if the cart path weren't there. If you were up against the right side of a tree (right-handed) and would normally hit the ball left-handed , then you must take relief with the left-handed stance. If after that drop you decide to hit the ball normally, you can. If the cart path comes into play then, you can (must??) drop again using your normal stance. I can't remember which decision it is, but it's in the book somewhere... I'm almost positive about this, but confirmation would be great. “Tony, I recently saw a tip showing that your friend is correct in this rule. It is possible to address the ball left handed to gain the cart path rule. After moving to the closest point of relief, you are no longer obliged to address left handed anymore. A useful twist, if you know the rules.

Am certain that this would likely cause a strong rebuttal from a friend “like you” but I saw this published in Golf Digest, I believe. Gail, can you confirm?”

That’s not true in almost every case. You must use the stance you would take to make the swing if the cart path weren’t there. If you were up against the right side of a tree (right-handed) and would normally hit the ball left-handed , then you must take relief with the left-handed stance. If after that drop you decide to hit the ball normally, you can. If the cart path comes into play then, you can (must??) drop again using your normal stance. I can’t remember which decision it is, but it’s in the book somewhere…

I’m almost positive about this, but confirmation would be great.

]]> By: Gail Rogers http://www.ncga.org/2007/04/01/stop-don%e2%80%99t-touch-that-ball-on-the-cart-path/comment-page-1/#comment-1035 Gail Rogers Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:04:36 +0000 http://thebacknine.ncga.org/2007/06/20/stop-don%e2%80%99t-touch-that-ball-on-the-cart-path/#comment-1035 Dear Angel, As long as the player has a spot to drop on that meets the requirements of the drop, the right side is the place to drop the ball as you describe it. One is not entitled to a complete club-length that is just the maximum that is allowed. Sometimes, when taking relief there is a nearest point that meets the requirement and then just 2 or 3 inches beyond that point. That is still the nearest point of relief and the ball must first strike the course within those 2 or 3 inches to be a good drop. The ball almost certainly will bounce outside that area and have to be re-dropped and then be placed on the spot where it first struck the course within the 2 – 3 inch area. As to question 2, a ball that is not going to be replaced does not have to be marked before it is lifted. The player can estimate the drop area and drop the ball. The requirements is that it is dropped in the proper area. See Decision 24-2b/2. If you do not have a Decision on the Rules of Golf book you can read this on line at usga.org under the Rules heading. Thank you for your interest in the Rules of Golf. Gail Gail Rogers Director of Educaion Dear Angel,

As long as the player has a spot to drop on that meets the requirements of the drop, the right side is the place to drop the ball as you describe it. One is not entitled to a complete club-length that is just the maximum that is allowed. Sometimes, when taking relief there is a nearest point that meets the requirement and then just 2 or 3 inches beyond that point. That is still the nearest point of relief and the ball must first strike the course within those 2 or 3 inches to be a good drop. The ball almost certainly will bounce outside that area and have to be re-dropped and then be placed on the spot where it first struck the course within the 2 – 3 inch area.

As to question 2, a ball that is not going to be replaced does not have to be marked before it is lifted. The player can estimate the drop area and drop the ball. The requirements is that it is dropped in the proper area. See Decision 24-2b/2. If you do not have a Decision on the Rules of Golf book you can read this on line at usga.org under the Rules heading.

Thank you for your interest in the Rules of Golf.

Gail

Gail Rogers
Director of Educaion

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