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	<title>Comments on: Trinitas GC &#8211; Silent No More</title>
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		<title>By: Richie</title>
		<link>http://www.ncga.org/2007/04/01/trinitas-gc-silent-no-more/comment-page-1/#comment-1404</link>
		<dc:creator>Richie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sounds like sour grapes, you clearly don&#039;t play golf, as a golfer who pays good money to play, this guy and his team has turned some average courses around and makes them a pleasure to play. P.S.Trinitas is the 8th wonder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sounds like sour grapes, you clearly don&#8217;t play golf, as a golfer who pays good money to play, this guy and his team has turned some average courses around and makes them a pleasure to play. P.S.Trinitas is the 8th wonder.</p>
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		<title>By: dee</title>
		<link>http://www.ncga.org/2007/04/01/trinitas-gc-silent-no-more/comment-page-1/#comment-1122</link>
		<dc:creator>dee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 22:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FOR THE NEGITIVE COMMENTS...WHAT DOES YOUR COMMENT HAVE TO DO WITH THE COURSE?..NOTHING..THIS MARK DOESN&#039;T OWN IT...THE COURSE IS A NICE COURSE..COME ON... GROW UP ALREADY...WHY DON&#039;T YOU PUT NEGITIVE COMMENTS ON MARK&#039;S SITE (IF HE HAS ONE)...THE PUBLIC DON&#039;T KNOW MARK AND DON&#039;T CARE TO..IF YOU HAVE A COMMENTS ABOUT THE COURSE I COULD SEE POSTING IT..BUT THAT SHOULD BE IT...FIND SOMEWHERE ELSE TO VENT LIKE A 8 YEAR OLD...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FOR THE NEGITIVE COMMENTS&#8230;WHAT DOES YOUR COMMENT HAVE TO DO WITH THE COURSE?..NOTHING..THIS MARK DOESN&#8217;T OWN IT&#8230;THE COURSE IS A NICE COURSE..COME ON&#8230; GROW UP ALREADY&#8230;WHY DON&#8217;T YOU PUT NEGITIVE COMMENTS ON MARK&#8217;S SITE (IF HE HAS ONE)&#8230;THE PUBLIC DON&#8217;T KNOW MARK AND DON&#8217;T CARE TO..IF YOU HAVE A COMMENTS ABOUT THE COURSE I COULD SEE POSTING IT..BUT THAT SHOULD BE IT&#8230;FIND SOMEWHERE ELSE TO VENT LIKE A 8 YEAR OLD&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://www.ncga.org/2007/04/01/trinitas-gc-silent-no-more/comment-page-1/#comment-729</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 22:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe, Bill and Walter

Here is a novel concept, in stead of complaining about this guy why don&#039;t you call him? It&#039;s easy just tell some one you do not like them,  it does sound a like your making this into a personal attack. I would guess that your struggling with keeping poa minimal in your greens. Good Luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, Bill and Walter</p>
<p>Here is a novel concept, in stead of complaining about this guy why don&#8217;t you call him? It&#8217;s easy just tell some one you do not like them,  it does sound a like your making this into a personal attack. I would guess that your struggling with keeping poa minimal in your greens. Good Luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.ncga.org/2007/04/01/trinitas-gc-silent-no-more/comment-page-1/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 20:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard they had a huge thatch problem at Trinitas, hmmm I thought the Logan program was suppose to eliminate thatch?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard they had a huge thatch problem at Trinitas, hmmm I thought the Logan program was suppose to eliminate thatch?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.ncga.org/2007/04/01/trinitas-gc-silent-no-more/comment-page-1/#comment-66</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 04:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have loved to see the look on Marks face when he read the second email. I heard he was handed the email right in front of the owner of Trinitas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have loved to see the look on Marks face when he read the second email. I heard he was handed the email right in front of the owner of Trinitas.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.ncga.org/2007/04/01/trinitas-gc-silent-no-more/comment-page-1/#comment-65</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 03:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your article about Trinitas was great to read and showed how golf courses were built 40 to 100 years ago. People found a great piece of property and saw a golf course before it was built. John Fleming an old school Superintendent can attest to his father and some great architects doing this very thing in Northern California. 

    My issue with the article is the way one man was portrayed as an old school agronomist. Just to fill you all in at the NCGA of the practices that Mark Logan has taught some Superintendents in Northern California and beyond, are not considered old school agronomy by those of us in the business. His so called &quot;old school agronomy&quot; is extremely harmful to the soil, water, and the environment. Ask any Superintendent using his techniques or being forced to use his techniques,&quot;How are your roots?&quot; They cant answer you because his program doesn&#039;t consider the soil at all. In fact with the huge amounts of Iron and other fertilizers being applied, which cannot be used by the plant, largely end up killing any living organism within 6 inches of the surface. The way the fertilizers are applied is completely unsafe not just for the environment, animals, insects, and waterways, but also unsafe for the applicators which are normally Latino crew members. Look at their clothes, look at their eyes, look at their shoes. They are covered in Iron at all times. Spraying iron in the air behind you while riding a tractor with a breeze of 5 mph proves to be extremely tough, especially when driving down wind. The fertilizer is being thrown unbelievably into the air which then turns out to hit you in the back. When spraying by hand, again an unsafe method is used. Using a one inch hose and a special nozzle to apply fertilizer should be illegal. Not only does the applicator get fertilizers thrown all over his face, but anyone within 20 yards of the green is being exposed to Iron and other fertilizers via there pores, nose, and eyes. I myself was told to spray with these techniques. After two or three applications I told my managers I would not expose myself to fertilizers in this way. Needless to say I am now a Superintendent who does not have to circum to Mark Logan&#039;s program. Sure, some of the methods and raw material mentality is from the good old days. But most of this is coming from Australia and other countries. Has anyone heard about the serious water problems they are having in Australia? Largely caused by agricultural techniques and fertilizers used with no regard for the environment. Ask consultants from America who are now trying to help Australia get themselves out of a serious problem. 

    This Logan program is meant to be used in sandy soils where the soil has the ability to flush itself every year. There is no data on the affects of using these high amounts of Iron and other fertilizers will have in clay soils, rivers, streams, or ponds. I can tell you this, when I drove by five or six birds in a fairway and hit them with 30 or 40 ounces per thousand of Iron with a carrier of 5 gallons of water. I never saw animals cower and fly away in such a hurry. It hurt, you could tell by their screeches. The soil is embalmed basically and cannot produce any microbial activity after being sprayed for a few months under this program. Now tell me this, how is that OLD SCHOOL? It&#039;s not! Which is exactly my point. 

    Feel free to share this with anyone you like, I would just ask that my email address not be exposed to anyone involved with Mark Logan or George Kelley. Mike McCullough is a friend and I would love to see this shown to him. We as Superintendents are natural environmentalist and keepers of the green. Most of the courses Mark is involved in only care about one thing, hard and fast, and will do anything to reach this goal. In fact, Mark and George have attempted to back door hundreds of Superintendents in the past by contacting their general managers or board members without asking the Superintendent if he would like to learn about their program. This is extremely disturbing and has lead to many men losing their jobs in Northern California. I know the NCGA would never want to give someone like this free press and I realize the article was written by someone who knows nothing of Mark&#039;s background. I just thought the NCGA and the writer Ron Salsig should be informed for future reference. Thank you for your time. Bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your article about Trinitas was great to read and showed how golf courses were built 40 to 100 years ago. People found a great piece of property and saw a golf course before it was built. John Fleming an old school Superintendent can attest to his father and some great architects doing this very thing in Northern California. </p>
<p>    My issue with the article is the way one man was portrayed as an old school agronomist. Just to fill you all in at the NCGA of the practices that Mark Logan has taught some Superintendents in Northern California and beyond, are not considered old school agronomy by those of us in the business. His so called &#8220;old school agronomy&#8221; is extremely harmful to the soil, water, and the environment. Ask any Superintendent using his techniques or being forced to use his techniques,&#8221;How are your roots?&#8221; They cant answer you because his program doesn&#8217;t consider the soil at all. In fact with the huge amounts of Iron and other fertilizers being applied, which cannot be used by the plant, largely end up killing any living organism within 6 inches of the surface. The way the fertilizers are applied is completely unsafe not just for the environment, animals, insects, and waterways, but also unsafe for the applicators which are normally Latino crew members. Look at their clothes, look at their eyes, look at their shoes. They are covered in Iron at all times. Spraying iron in the air behind you while riding a tractor with a breeze of 5 mph proves to be extremely tough, especially when driving down wind. The fertilizer is being thrown unbelievably into the air which then turns out to hit you in the back. When spraying by hand, again an unsafe method is used. Using a one inch hose and a special nozzle to apply fertilizer should be illegal. Not only does the applicator get fertilizers thrown all over his face, but anyone within 20 yards of the green is being exposed to Iron and other fertilizers via there pores, nose, and eyes. I myself was told to spray with these techniques. After two or three applications I told my managers I would not expose myself to fertilizers in this way. Needless to say I am now a Superintendent who does not have to circum to Mark Logan&#8217;s program. Sure, some of the methods and raw material mentality is from the good old days. But most of this is coming from Australia and other countries. Has anyone heard about the serious water problems they are having in Australia? Largely caused by agricultural techniques and fertilizers used with no regard for the environment. Ask consultants from America who are now trying to help Australia get themselves out of a serious problem. </p>
<p>    This Logan program is meant to be used in sandy soils where the soil has the ability to flush itself every year. There is no data on the affects of using these high amounts of Iron and other fertilizers will have in clay soils, rivers, streams, or ponds. I can tell you this, when I drove by five or six birds in a fairway and hit them with 30 or 40 ounces per thousand of Iron with a carrier of 5 gallons of water. I never saw animals cower and fly away in such a hurry. It hurt, you could tell by their screeches. The soil is embalmed basically and cannot produce any microbial activity after being sprayed for a few months under this program. Now tell me this, how is that OLD SCHOOL? It&#8217;s not! Which is exactly my point. </p>
<p>    Feel free to share this with anyone you like, I would just ask that my email address not be exposed to anyone involved with Mark Logan or George Kelley. Mike McCullough is a friend and I would love to see this shown to him. We as Superintendents are natural environmentalist and keepers of the green. Most of the courses Mark is involved in only care about one thing, hard and fast, and will do anything to reach this goal. In fact, Mark and George have attempted to back door hundreds of Superintendents in the past by contacting their general managers or board members without asking the Superintendent if he would like to learn about their program. This is extremely disturbing and has lead to many men losing their jobs in Northern California. I know the NCGA would never want to give someone like this free press and I realize the article was written by someone who knows nothing of Mark&#8217;s background. I just thought the NCGA and the writer Ron Salsig should be informed for future reference. Thank you for your time. Bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Walter Bellhaven</title>
		<link>http://www.ncga.org/2007/04/01/trinitas-gc-silent-no-more/comment-page-1/#comment-62</link>
		<dc:creator>Walter Bellhaven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 09:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN, 

    MARK LOGAN IS A FRAUD AND SHOULD BE THROWN IN JAIL FOR ALL OF HIS ENVIRONMENTAL DESTRUCTION HE HAS CAUSED WITH HIS &quot;LOGAN PROGRAM&quot;!  AND TO ALL OF THE IDIOT SUCKERS WHO GAVE IN TO HIS INSANITY, YOU DESERVE TO HAVE DEAD GREENS!  WHO EVER HEARD OF FOUNDING FATHER SUPERINTENDENTS USING &quot;OLD SCHOOL AGRONOMY&quot; BY DUMPING FERROUS SULFATE IN THE SPRAY TANK AND NOTHING ELSE.  YOU MAY AS WELL START SPRAYING MERCURY AGAIN.  
    MARK LOGAN ALSO HAS A DEBT TO PAY TO ALL OF THE GOLF COURSE WORKERS WHO HAVE BEEN PERMANENTLY POISONED BY DOING THIS ASSANINE PROGRAM!  SKIN, EYES, AND RESPIRATORY POISONING AMONG WORKERS AS RECOMMENDED BY THIS MAN IS SOMETHING I HOPE HE STAYS AWAKE AT NIGHT THINKING ABOUT!  WHATEVER HAPPENED TO NPK AND WATER?  THIS ISN&#039;T ROCKET SCIENCE PEOPLE, ITS GROWING GRASS!!!!  WHY IS GROWING GRASS MORE DIFFICULT NOW THAN IT WAS 10 YEARS AGO?

SINCERELY, 
WALTER BELLHAVEN</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN, </p>
<p>    MARK LOGAN IS A FRAUD AND SHOULD BE THROWN IN JAIL FOR ALL OF HIS ENVIRONMENTAL DESTRUCTION HE HAS CAUSED WITH HIS &#8220;LOGAN PROGRAM&#8221;!  AND TO ALL OF THE IDIOT SUCKERS WHO GAVE IN TO HIS INSANITY, YOU DESERVE TO HAVE DEAD GREENS!  WHO EVER HEARD OF FOUNDING FATHER SUPERINTENDENTS USING &#8220;OLD SCHOOL AGRONOMY&#8221; BY DUMPING FERROUS SULFATE IN THE SPRAY TANK AND NOTHING ELSE.  YOU MAY AS WELL START SPRAYING MERCURY AGAIN.<br />
    MARK LOGAN ALSO HAS A DEBT TO PAY TO ALL OF THE GOLF COURSE WORKERS WHO HAVE BEEN PERMANENTLY POISONED BY DOING THIS ASSANINE PROGRAM!  SKIN, EYES, AND RESPIRATORY POISONING AMONG WORKERS AS RECOMMENDED BY THIS MAN IS SOMETHING I HOPE HE STAYS AWAKE AT NIGHT THINKING ABOUT!  WHATEVER HAPPENED TO NPK AND WATER?  THIS ISN&#8217;T ROCKET SCIENCE PEOPLE, ITS GROWING GRASS!!!!  WHY IS GROWING GRASS MORE DIFFICULT NOW THAN IT WAS 10 YEARS AGO?</p>
<p>SINCERELY,<br />
WALTER BELLHAVEN</p>
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