Comments on: Fit to a “T” http://www.ncga.org/2007/06/18/fit-to-a-t/ Northern California Golf Association Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:39:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Jim Cowan http://www.ncga.org/2007/06/18/fit-to-a-t/comment-page-1/#comment-2513 Jim Cowan Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:12:12 +0000 http://thebacknine.ncga.org/2007/06/18/fit-to-a-t/#comment-2513 Don, thank you for your comments though I am confused. Your handicap is not Reduced at this point in time. The 20.6 is based purely on the quality of your best 10 of 20 most recent rounds, so the language regarding middle-ground does not apply to you unless your club has intervened and modified your Handicap Index to a level below 20.6. If that is the case, your club must use its best judgment in setting your handicap, there is no specific formula for this. As to another of your questions, the T should be reserved for the most significant events at the club and should NOT be used for routine weekly or monthly events. If this is a significant event within the club, as determined by the club Handicap and Tournament Committee, the T should certainly be applied. Thanks again - Jim Cowan Don, thank you for your comments though I am confused. Your handicap is not Reduced at this point in time. The 20.6 is based purely on the quality of your best 10 of 20 most recent rounds, so the language regarding middle-ground does not apply to you unless your club has intervened and modified your Handicap Index to a level below 20.6. If that is the case, your club must use its best judgment in setting your handicap, there is no specific formula for this. As to another of your questions, the T should be reserved for the most significant events at the club and should NOT be used for routine weekly or monthly events. If this is a significant event within the club, as determined by the club Handicap and Tournament Committee, the T should certainly be applied. Thanks again – Jim Cowan

]]> By: Don Scully http://www.ncga.org/2007/06/18/fit-to-a-t/comment-page-1/#comment-2505 Don Scully Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:05:35 +0000 http://thebacknine.ncga.org/2007/06/18/fit-to-a-t/#comment-2505 Jim, Read through some other responses and see the answer to the match play question. I guess not understanding how I should have recorded the "Gmmees" is my mistake and I should bear that cost. Above you indicate that "Take a close look at the two T-scores causing your reduction and you will see that they are way below the handicap you would have been issued this month without a reduction. All the System did was find some middle-ground to set your Index at, it did not pull you all the way down to the quality of the two tournament rounds" However in my case it looks like they have pulled my index down to the average of my two Match play rounds and not some middle ground. How would the "middle ground" be calculated? Jim,

Read through some other responses and see the answer to the match play question. I guess not understanding how I should have recorded the “Gmmees” is my mistake and I should bear that cost. Above you indicate that

“Take a close look at the two T-scores causing your reduction and you will see that they are way below the handicap you would have been issued this month without a reduction. All the System did was find some middle-ground to set your Index at, it did not pull you all the way down to the quality of the two tournament rounds”

However in my case it looks like they have pulled my index down to the average of my two Match play rounds and not some middle ground. How would the “middle ground” be calculated?

]]> By: Don Scully http://www.ncga.org/2007/06/18/fit-to-a-t/comment-page-1/#comment-2504 Don Scully Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:22:30 +0000 http://thebacknine.ncga.org/2007/06/18/fit-to-a-t/#comment-2504 Should match play events be recorded as part of your handicap, and if so should they be tagged as a "T" score. Match play has many aspects where yo are just picking up the ball,either becasue you have no chance to wint eh hole or no chance to lose the hole. This will always lead to a lower total score. Additionally if the club is not posting a score a a tournamnet on the NCGA site under my index, should they be using these to adjust my index? Should match play events be recorded as part of your handicap, and if so should they be tagged as a “T” score. Match play has many aspects where yo are just picking up the ball,either becasue you have no chance to wint eh hole or no chance to lose the hole. This will always lead to a lower total score.

Additionally if the club is not posting a score a a tournamnet on the NCGA site under my index, should they be using these to adjust my index?

]]> By: Jim Spence http://www.ncga.org/2007/06/18/fit-to-a-t/comment-page-1/#comment-2445 Jim Spence Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:19:44 +0000 http://thebacknine.ncga.org/2007/06/18/fit-to-a-t/#comment-2445 <strong>Jim Spence...</strong> It was such a boring Wednesday today and I found your video Tri-State Mall; Claymont, Delaware | Labelscar: The Retail History Blog. Where did you find that one?... Jim Spence…

It was such a boring Wednesday today and I found your video Tri-State Mall; Claymont, Delaware | Labelscar: The Retail History Blog. Where did you find that one?…

]]> By: Jim Cowan http://www.ncga.org/2007/06/18/fit-to-a-t/comment-page-1/#comment-2369 Jim Cowan Mon, 08 Jun 2009 14:58:25 +0000 http://thebacknine.ncga.org/2007/06/18/fit-to-a-t/#comment-2369 Miguel - thank you for your comment. First of all, your Handicap Index has been Reduced, not restricted. Secondly, a reduction is not going to kick in every time you shoot below your handicap in a tournament. Playing a little bit below one's handicap in a tournament from time to time is not rare and will not cause a reduction. Playing many, many strokes below one's handicap at least twice within a twelve month period will. Take a close look at the two T-scores causing your reduction and you will see that they are way below the handicap you would have been issued this month without a reduction. All the System did was find some middle-ground to set your Index at, it did not pull you all the way down to the quality of the two tournament rounds. Lastly, I do not see where this System encourages cheating at all. And if someone does cheat, they should have their handicap withdrawn by their club. Thanks again - Jim Cowan. Miguel – thank you for your comment. First of all, your Handicap Index has been Reduced, not restricted. Secondly, a reduction is not going to kick in every time you shoot below your handicap in a tournament. Playing a little bit below one’s handicap in a tournament from time to time is not rare and will not cause a reduction. Playing many, many strokes below one’s handicap at least twice within a twelve month period will. Take a close look at the two T-scores causing your reduction and you will see that they are way below the handicap you would have been issued this month without a reduction. All the System did was find some middle-ground to set your Index at, it did not pull you all the way down to the quality of the two tournament rounds. Lastly, I do not see where this System encourages cheating at all. And if someone does cheat, they should have their handicap withdrawn by their club. Thanks again – Jim Cowan.

]]> By: Miguel http://www.ncga.org/2007/06/18/fit-to-a-t/comment-page-1/#comment-2361 Miguel Sun, 07 Jun 2009 00:34:20 +0000 http://thebacknine.ncga.org/2007/06/18/fit-to-a-t/#comment-2361 I have read the explanation of the R Restricted Handicap. My handicap has been restrcited a couple of times in the last two years. If at any time during the year I shoot below my handicap in a tournament i can expect my handicap to be restricted? It seems to me with this restriction you are encouraging people to cheat since their handicap will be flagged for an entire month and can be perceived incorrectly by the handicapping committe in their respective club. I have read the explanation of the R Restricted Handicap. My handicap has been restrcited a couple of times in the last two years.
If at any time during the year I shoot below my handicap in a tournament i can expect my handicap to be restricted? It seems to me with this restriction you are encouraging people to cheat since their handicap will be flagged for an entire month and can be perceived incorrectly by the handicapping committe in their respective club.

]]> By: Jim Cowan http://www.ncga.org/2007/06/18/fit-to-a-t/comment-page-1/#comment-1855 Jim Cowan Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:52:20 +0000 http://thebacknine.ncga.org/2007/06/18/fit-to-a-t/#comment-1855 Delton, thank you for your comment. The USGA Handicap System is very proactive when it comes to the posting of scores when Preferred Lies are in place. In short, the System requires the posting of such rounds unless conditions are so poor as to warrant no posting at all ("so poor" meaning that the course cannot play to its ratings). So full steam ahead, post them and apply the T if they represent significant events within the club. Thanks again - Jim Cowan. Delton, thank you for your comment. The USGA Handicap System is very proactive when it comes to the posting of scores when Preferred Lies are in place. In short, the System requires the posting of such rounds unless conditions are so poor as to warrant no posting at all (“so poor” meaning that the course cannot play to its ratings). So full steam ahead, post them and apply the T if they represent significant events within the club. Thanks again – Jim Cowan.

]]> By: Delton Price http://www.ncga.org/2007/06/18/fit-to-a-t/comment-page-1/#comment-1851 Delton Price Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:56:13 +0000 http://thebacknine.ncga.org/2007/06/18/fit-to-a-t/#comment-1851 Many of our NCGA qualifying tournaments are played early in the Spring while the course is still wet and mushy. Most are played under "Winter Rules". Should scored made in major Club tournaments when played under "Winter Rules" be posted as Torunament Scores? Many of our NCGA qualifying tournaments are played early in the Spring while the course is still wet and mushy. Most are played under “Winter Rules”.

Should scored made in major Club tournaments when played under “Winter Rules” be posted as Torunament Scores?

]]> By: Jim Cowan http://www.ncga.org/2007/06/18/fit-to-a-t/comment-page-1/#comment-1620 Jim Cowan Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:21:08 +0000 http://thebacknine.ncga.org/2007/06/18/fit-to-a-t/#comment-1620 Ralf - The R handicap is an automatic part of the USGA Handicap System meaning that it is one of the normal calculations that goes into the production of a Handicap Index each month. Every handicap in the entire country is calculated in this manner. In order to trigger an R, the golfer must have at least two low T-scores recorded within the past twelve months that are much lower than their normal scores. At any given point in time, only about 1% of golfers have T-scores low enough in their record to cause an R. The NCGA has its own program for golfers that compete in NCGA events that are played with handicaps. We collect and analyze all the rounds played in such NCGA events and, for lack of a better term, develop player profiles. If a profile reveals that the golfer has outperformed their handicap in NCGA play with great frequency or by great margins, we require that golfer to play to a lower "number" in our own tournaments only. The NCGA does NOT have the authority to adjust a golfer's real Handicap Index, so in no way, shape or form is our "number" to be confused with the golfer's Handicap Index issued each month or an R handicap. Thanks - Jim Cowan Ralf – The R handicap is an automatic part of the USGA Handicap System meaning that it is one of the normal calculations that goes into the production of a Handicap Index each month. Every handicap in the entire country is calculated in this manner. In order to trigger an R, the golfer must have at least two low T-scores recorded within the past twelve months that are much lower than their normal scores. At any given point in time, only about 1% of golfers have T-scores low enough in their record to cause an R.

The NCGA has its own program for golfers that compete in NCGA events that are played with handicaps. We collect and analyze all the rounds played in such NCGA events and, for lack of a better term, develop player profiles. If a profile reveals that the golfer has outperformed their handicap in NCGA play with great frequency or by great margins, we require that golfer to play to a lower “number” in our own tournaments only. The NCGA does NOT have the authority to adjust a golfer’s real Handicap Index, so in no way, shape or form is our “number” to be confused with the golfer’s Handicap Index issued each month or an R handicap. Thanks – Jim Cowan

]]> By: ralf smets http://www.ncga.org/2007/06/18/fit-to-a-t/comment-page-1/#comment-1613 ralf smets Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:31:21 +0000 http://thebacknine.ncga.org/2007/06/18/fit-to-a-t/#comment-1613 Thanks Jim, for the very good and clear explanation. I still have a question. The NCGA will have you play in their Tournaments at Top Gear Hcp 8, would that be considered "Rescricted"? so an "R" next to your name. I think it would totally fair for the NCGA to require me to play to a hcp 8 in their tournaments, if history shows that that is my tournament HCP. Thanks Ralf Thanks Jim, for the very good and clear explanation. I still have a question. The NCGA will have you play in their Tournaments at Top Gear Hcp 8, would that be considered “Rescricted”? so an “R” next to your name.
I think it would totally fair for the NCGA to require me to play to a hcp 8 in their tournaments, if history shows that that is my tournament HCP.

Thanks Ralf

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