Comments on: Stroke Hole Allocation Guidelines

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By: Jim Cowan

Jim Cowan — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:13:18 +0000

Ed, thank you for your comments. In somes forms of play dotting the scorecard is recommended, in other forms of play it is not. If you have a gross/net competition where the winner is the lowest net score, there is no need to dot the strokes . . . everyone just subtracts their handicap from the gross score to come up with the net score. If you have a better-ball competition or points event, however, it is recommended to dot the card with the strokes where they fall as opposed to just subtracting the handicap from the gross score. This will result in a truer ranking of the order of finish. For example, imagine a situation where you have two better-ball teams with identical handicaps (both teams have a 0 and 5). On the #1 handicap stroke hole, on one team the 0 and 5 record a par and a double bogey. On the other team the 0 and 5 record a double bogey and par. Without dotting the handicap strokes, both teams are treated the same and tie the hole. With dots, the second team scores better as they recorded a net birdie. The same would be true in a points event. Imagine two golfers with identical 18-handicaps. One records a double-bogey, the other a quad. Both get zero gross points and would be treated the same if no dots were applied. With dots, the golfer who recorded the double bogey still receives a point and separates himself from the other competitor. I hope this helps, thanks again – Jim Cowan.

By: ed anzore

ed anzore — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:20:20 +0000

Jim, while playing in a straight handicap event, is it necessary to dot the score cards for stroke allocation, or would it be easier just to subtract the handicap of the golfer from the total score? there seems to be some confusion.. is there a reason for this..ed

By: ed anzore

ed anzore — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:18:58 +0000

while playing in a net event, why are strokes given on certain holes? Would it not be logical to assume that if a 15 handicap golfer shoots a 89 that his net is 74? some tournaments put dots on holes for stroke reduction which I do not understand since we are not playing any form of match play.. thank you

By: Jim Cowan

Jim Cowan — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:30:25 +0000

Steve, yep, skins too. Thanks – Jim Cowan

By: steve knadler

steve knadler — Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:27:48 +0000

Jim,

Thank you for the above response. Simply put that the lowest handicap goes to zero and the others ALL stroke off him on the hardest holes depending on the net difference of the handicaps. 5,5 and 11 in your example. This works the same way for skins, correct?

Thanks again,

Steve Knadler

p.s. Sorry Scholl, but rules are rules….

By: Jim Cowan

Jim Cowan — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 23:03:41 +0000

Hi Vic,
Based on the 7, 12, 12, 18 in your first message, you are playing one of your opponents straight up and giving the other 6 pops. Your partner is actually giving you and one opponent 5 pops and is giving 11 strokes to the 18.
The best way to picture this is to grab a scorecard and mark down the Course Handicap of each player next to their name. Next, bring the low handicapper down to a 0 (your partner) and subtract his handicap from the other three. In your first message, this would leave the three of you at a 5, a 5 and an 11. Find the line or column where you enter your own hole-by-hole scores and place a single dot in the box of the 5 top ranked holes. Do the same for your opponent with the same handicap. Do the same for the 11 top ranked holes of the 18. This now represents where the strokes fall in the match. So on the #1 ranked hole that you mentioned, a single dot appears in the box for everyone but your partner. Your scores work out to a par for your partner, you would have a net bogey, your opponents would have a net par and net bogey, the hole is halved . . . way to let your partner down! Had one of your opponents parred the hole, they would have won with a net birdie. I hope this helps – Jim Cowan

By: vic

vic — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 04:39:57 +0000

thank you for the response jim.I think i understand.basically my partner and I have to give the 17 handicapper a stroke on the 6 hardest hole and if the first hole was a 444 par 4 number 1 handicap hole and we all get bogeys ,they win.right?and besides the 6 hardest handicap holes we play straight up.I have an example ?.
example:lets say the number 1 handicap hole .my partner (8)gets par i(12) get double bogey the (12)on the other team gets bogey and the (17)handi gets double.we would win the hole right?which would mean that i never get any strokes ,my partner and i give the 17 handi only strokes on the hardest 6 handicap holes.If my example is a halve because there 12 got bogey.then I am still lost.if we win I understand. thanks again jimbo.

By: Jim Cowan

Jim Cowan — Fri, 28 Dec 2007 22:04:41 +0000

Hi Vic and thank you for your comments,

The are a couple of distinctions here.

When competing in match play, all four golfers are reduced by the Course Handicap of the lowest handicapper, who plays at scratch. In this case, your partner would play to a 0 and you would play to a 5. Your opponents would play to a 5 and 11. All three of you would receive your strokes on the 1-5 and 1-11 ranked holes.

Awarding the strokes on the high ranked holes is far superior to awarding them on the “easier” holes. Suppose you were a 17 playing against an 18. Would you rather give the stroke on the #1 ranked hole (probably a tough par-five) or the #18 ranked hole (probably a short par-three)? If you give the stroke on the easy hole, you probably always lose that hole. If you give it on the tough hole, you have more of a fighting chance to secure a halve. And that is the intent, to award the strokes on the holes where a golfer most needs a stroke to secure a halve, not a win.

In stroke play, the dynamics change a little. The USGA recommends that in a better-ball format (four-ball), only 90% of the Course Handicaps be issued. In such a scenario, your partner would play to a 6, you and one of your opponents would play to an 11 and your other opponent would forfeit two strokes and play to a 16. All of you would receive your full complement of strokes on the 1-6, 1-11 and 1-16 ranked holes.

It may not seem like it at times, but you and your partner should be in the driver’s seat in your match. Because handicaps are based on 96% of the difference between your scores and the ratings, not 100%, lower handicappers actually have a very slight advantage over higher handicappers in matches. Sandbagger aside, the statistics of handicapping favor your team ever-so-slightly.

Thanks again. Jim Cowan

By: vic

vic — Sat, 08 Dec 2007 08:24:49 +0000

oh by the way that is team individual hole match not points