Comments on: NCGA Rules Situations http://www.ncga.org/2007/10/11/know-your-rules/ Northern California Golf Association Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:54:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Paul http://www.ncga.org/2007/10/11/know-your-rules/#comment-515 Paul Fri, 11 Jan 2008 01:56:02 +0000 http://www.ncga.org/2007/10/11/know-your-rules/#comment-515 Jose: Look a little closer at 17-1 through 17-3. 17-1 pertaines to the flagstick attended, if the flagstick is "not attended", before a player makes a stroke, it must not be attended,removed or held up during the stroke or while the player's ball is in motion if so doing might influence the movement of the ball. This is a 2 stroke penalty in stroke play. Ruel 17-3 states that a player's ball must not strike: a the flagstick when attended, removed or held up b. the person attending etc c. the flagstick in the hole, unattended, when the stroke has been made from the putting green. There are exceptions, but he committee in a tournament would have the final say. very confusing, but I believe the botton line is in "attending and unattended". Just make sure YOUR ball will never hit any type of flagstick or any other equipment lying on the green with the ball in motion with a chance of striking same. Jose:

Look a little closer at 17-1 through 17-3.
17-1 pertaines to the flagstick attended, if the flagstick is “not attended”, before a player makes a stroke, it must not be attended,removed or held up during the stroke or while the player’s ball is in motion if so doing might influence the movement of the ball.
This is a 2 stroke penalty in stroke play.
Ruel 17-3 states that a player’s ball must not strike:
a the flagstick when attended, removed or held up
b. the person attending etc
c. the flagstick in the hole, unattended, when the stroke has been made
from the putting green. There are exceptions, but he committee in a
tournament would have the final say.

very confusing, but I believe the botton line is in “attending and unattended”. Just make sure YOUR ball will never hit any type of
flagstick or any other equipment lying on the green with the ball in motion with a chance of striking same.

]]> By: Jose Luis Haurie http://www.ncga.org/2007/10/11/know-your-rules/#comment-512 Jose Luis Haurie Wed, 09 Jan 2008 10:24:59 +0000 http://www.ncga.org/2007/10/11/know-your-rules/#comment-512 Caleb Decision 17-1/6 of 2008 Decisions Book states; "There is no penalty. A flagstick that is attended, removed or held up may be moved by anyone even if doing so could influence the movement of a ball in motion (Rule 24-1) Caleb
Decision 17-1/6 of 2008 Decisions Book states; “There is no penalty. A flagstick that is attended, removed or held up may be moved by anyone even if doing so could influence the movement of a ball in motion (Rule 24-1)

]]> By: Gail http://www.ncga.org/2007/10/11/know-your-rules/#comment-466 Gail Sun, 30 Dec 2007 01:11:01 +0000 http://www.ncga.org/2007/10/11/know-your-rules/#comment-466 Gail: The new rule regarding the flagstick and equipment is very confusing. Is The bottom line meaning a flagstick or equipment may be moved by the "person attending" both may move them, but no one else can?? It seems odd that I can leave my clubs 2-3 ft beyond the hole and If I putt past the hole the clubs will help me by stopping the ball. Seems contrary to the "golden rule", e.g. do not influence the path of the ball?? I'm very confused by this new rule. Gail:

The new rule regarding the flagstick and equipment is very confusing.
Is The bottom line meaning a flagstick or equipment may be moved
by the “person attending” both may move them, but no one else can??
It seems odd that I can leave my clubs 2-3 ft beyond the hole and If I putt past the hole the clubs will help me by stopping the ball.
Seems contrary to the “golden rule”, e.g. do not influence the path
of the ball?? I’m very confused by this new rule.

]]> By: Caleb Hoshiyama http://www.ncga.org/2007/10/11/know-your-rules/#comment-465 Caleb Hoshiyama Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:21:02 +0000 http://www.ncga.org/2007/10/11/know-your-rules/#comment-465 Gail, On the flagstick you stated:allowing any player to pick up either a flagstick or clubs that are lying on the ground which he believes might be struck by a ball that is in motion without being penalzied. But then you refer to only the attendee of the flagstick, is it any player can move a club and only the attendee can move the flagstick? tx caleb Gail,

On the flagstick you stated:allowing any player to pick up either a flagstick or clubs that are lying on the ground which he believes might be struck by a ball that is in motion without being penalzied.
But then you refer to only the attendee of the flagstick, is it any player can move a club and only the attendee can move the flagstick?

tx caleb

]]> By: Caleb Hoshiyama http://www.ncga.org/2007/10/11/know-your-rules/#comment-464 Caleb Hoshiyama Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:19:00 +0000 http://www.ncga.org/2007/10/11/know-your-rules/#comment-464 Gail, On the flag stick, you state: allowing any player to pick up either a flagstick or clubs that are lying on the ground which he believes might be struck by a ball that is in motion without being penalzied. But then you refer to only the person attending the flagstick is allowed to move the pin, is it any player can move a club, but only the attendee can move the flagstick? tx caleb Gail,

On the flag stick, you state: allowing any player to pick up either a flagstick or clubs that are lying on the ground which he believes might be struck by a ball that is in motion without being penalzied.
But then you refer to only the person attending the flagstick is allowed to move the pin, is it any player can move a club, but only the attendee can move the flagstick?

tx caleb

]]> By: Gail Rogers http://www.ncga.org/2007/10/11/know-your-rules/#comment-438 Gail Rogers Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:37:05 +0000 http://www.ncga.org/2007/10/11/know-your-rules/#comment-438 <p>Dear Chris,</p> <p>While there was nothing in Bob's question regarding environmentally sensitive areas, you are correct that if this were a hazard with green tipped stakes, the player would be required to take relief without penalty from the grasses that were in the hazard but overhanging the area of through the green if he had interfernce with lie of the ball, stance or area of intended swing.</p> <p>Gail</p> Dear Chris,

While there was nothing in Bob’s question regarding environmentally sensitive areas, you are correct that if this were a hazard with green tipped stakes, the player would be required to take relief without penalty from the grasses that were in the hazard but overhanging the area of through the green if he had interfernce with lie of the ball, stance or area of intended swing.

Gail

]]> By: chris hyland http://www.ncga.org/2007/10/11/know-your-rules/#comment-436 chris hyland Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:03:45 +0000 http://www.ncga.org/2007/10/11/know-your-rules/#comment-436 Further to Bob Rai's question on November 2nd, 2007 at 8:41 am: -the player was most likely referring to relief from grass from an environmental area(green tipped red stakes) affecting the swing path..which is free relief.. Further to Bob Rai’s question on November 2nd, 2007 at 8:41 am:
-the player was most likely referring to relief from grass from an environmental area(green tipped red stakes) affecting the swing path..which is free relief..

]]> By: Franklin Stephenson http://www.ncga.org/2007/10/11/know-your-rules/#comment-425 Franklin Stephenson Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:43:27 +0000 http://www.ncga.org/2007/10/11/know-your-rules/#comment-425 Great idea for the website! Great idea for the website!

]]> By: Gail Rogers http://www.ncga.org/2007/10/11/know-your-rules/#comment-232 Gail Rogers Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:49:23 +0000 http://www.ncga.org/2007/10/11/know-your-rules/#comment-232 Dear Bob, When a ball in play lies "through the green" the player must play the ball as it lies or declare it unplayalbe and proceed under on of the options of Rule 28 with a one stroke penalty. Grasses, trees and bushes are common on a golf course and the player must deal with them. It does not matter whether the bushes are in the hazard and the ball is outside. The same basic rule of golf applies - play the ball as it lies and the course as you find it. Dear Bob, When a ball in play lies “through the green” the player must play the ball as it lies or declare it unplayalbe and proceed under on of the options of Rule 28 with a one stroke penalty.

Grasses, trees and bushes are common on a golf course and the player must deal with them. It does not matter whether the bushes are in the hazard and the ball is outside. The same basic rule of golf applies - play the ball as it lies and the course as you find it.

]]> By: Gail Rogers http://www.ncga.org/2007/10/11/know-your-rules/#comment-231 Gail Rogers Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:41:16 +0000 http://www.ncga.org/2007/10/11/know-your-rules/#comment-231 Dear Bill, On January 1, 2008 the Rules of Golf will change allowing any player to pick up either a flagstick or clubs that are lying on the ground which he believes might be struck by a ball that is in motion without being penalzied. Attended in regards to a flagstick means in the hole and withing arms reach of the person "attending" it, but the extension of that concept means that the person attending is deemed to be attending until the ball comes to rest. That means that after a stroke, the person attending the flagstick may remove it and place it on the ground, and then realizing the ball may strick it, may pick it up without the player incurring a penalty. Dear Bill,

On January 1, 2008 the Rules of Golf will change allowing any player to pick up either a flagstick or clubs that are lying on the ground which he believes might be struck by a ball that is in motion without being penalzied.

Attended in regards to a flagstick means in the hole and withing arms reach of the person “attending” it, but the extension of that concept means that the person attending is deemed to be attending until the ball comes to rest. That means that after a stroke, the person attending the flagstick may remove it and place it on the ground, and then realizing the ball may strick it, may pick it up without the player incurring a penalty.

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