Comments on: NCGA Rules Situations – Lost Ball http://www.ncga.org/2007/12/05/ncga-rules-situations-lost-ball/ Northern California Golf Association Sat, 20 Mar 2010 19:01:33 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Gail Rogers http://www.ncga.org/2007/12/05/ncga-rules-situations-lost-ball/comment-page-1/#comment-1275 Gail Rogers Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:11:02 +0000 http://www.ncga.org/2007/12/05/ncga-rules-situations-lost-ball/#comment-1275 Hi Carlene, Your husband knows that there are 2 options for a ball that is played into a water hazard from which is cannot be played as it lies in the hazard. 1) play a stroke as near a possible from the spot where the prior stroke was made - in your example the bunker (technically not a sand trap). OR 2) keep the point where the ball last crossed the margin of the hazard between the hole location and the spot where the ball is dropped. So you would be playing across the water again, but depending on the angle when you line up the hole location with the spot of entry, you could be on a different angle. Either option is with a one stroke penalty. See Rule 26 Water Hazards. Thanks for the interest in the Rules of Golf. Gail Gail Rogers, NCGA Director of Educaiton Hi Carlene, Your husband knows that there are 2 options for a ball that is played into a water hazard from which is cannot be played as it lies in the hazard. 1) play a stroke as near a possible from the spot where the prior stroke was made – in your example the bunker (technically not a sand trap). OR 2) keep the point where the ball last crossed the margin of the hazard between the hole location and the spot where the ball is dropped. So you would be playing across the water again, but depending on the angle when you line up the hole location with the spot of entry, you could be on a different angle. Either option is with a one stroke penalty.

See Rule 26 Water Hazards.

Thanks for the interest in the Rules of Golf.

Gail
Gail Rogers, NCGA Director of Educaiton

]]> By: Carlene Burnet http://www.ncga.org/2007/12/05/ncga-rules-situations-lost-ball/comment-page-1/#comment-1274 Carlene Burnet Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:49:50 +0000 http://www.ncga.org/2007/12/05/ncga-rules-situations-lost-ball/#comment-1274 Yellow Steak Rule. Ball is hit across water to island green. It lands in a sand trap on the back side of the green. Yellow steaks are on both sides of the water. Ball is then hit out of the sand trap into the water. My interpertation of this rule is that you may hit another ball from the sandtrap! My husband say's I can hit the ball from the sandtrap or must go back across the water from where the 1st ball was hit. Who is right. Thank You, Carlene Yellow Steak Rule.
Ball is hit across water to island green. It lands in a sand trap on the back side of the green. Yellow steaks are on both sides of the water. Ball is then hit out of the sand trap into the water. My interpertation of this rule is that you may hit another ball from the sandtrap! My husband say’s I can hit the ball from the sandtrap or must go back across the water from where the 1st ball was hit. Who is right.
Thank You,
Carlene

]]> By: Gail Rogers http://www.ncga.org/2007/12/05/ncga-rules-situations-lost-ball/comment-page-1/#comment-1094 Gail Rogers Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:54:40 +0000 http://www.ncga.org/2007/12/05/ncga-rules-situations-lost-ball/#comment-1094 Greg, If you look at Rule 26-2 you will see that the water hazard options (Yelloe stakes) remain and that when the hazard is marked as a lateral (red) there are two additional options. We usually cannot drop behind the lateral hazard keeping the point of entry between the place the ball is dropped and the hole location as a lateral hazard normally parallels the line of play, and you either physically cannot get to the opposite margin or it is out of bounds where one is not permitted to drop a ball. Gail Greg, If you look at Rule 26-2 you will see that the water hazard options (Yelloe stakes) remain and that when the hazard is marked as a lateral (red) there are two additional options.

We usually cannot drop behind the lateral hazard keeping the point of entry between the place the ball is dropped and the hole location as a lateral hazard normally parallels the line of play, and you either physically cannot get to the opposite margin or it is out of bounds where one is not permitted to drop a ball.

Gail

]]> By: Greg O'Malley http://www.ncga.org/2007/12/05/ncga-rules-situations-lost-ball/comment-page-1/#comment-1093 Greg O'Malley Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:08:34 +0000 http://www.ncga.org/2007/12/05/ncga-rules-situations-lost-ball/#comment-1093 If I hit a ball into a water hazard marked with "Red Stakes," is one of my options going as far back as I desire and keeping where it entered the hazard between me and the hole. I was under the assumption that option was for only "Yellow Staked Hazards." If I hit a ball into a water hazard marked with “Red Stakes,” is one of my options going as far back as I desire and keeping where it entered the hazard between me and the hole. I was under the assumption that option was for only “Yellow Staked Hazards.”

]]> By: Gail Rogers http://www.ncga.org/2007/12/05/ncga-rules-situations-lost-ball/comment-page-1/#comment-537 Gail Rogers Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:14:28 +0000 http://www.ncga.org/2007/12/05/ncga-rules-situations-lost-ball/#comment-537 Hi Phil, Since the legal system has used reasonable evidence for years and it means over 50%, the Rules of Golf Committee wanted a term that meant 99.9%. FOUND or Virtualy Certain means that to the Ruels of Golf Committee and now to all of us as players. We are either going to find the ball in the condition, or there is no other place it can be. If you find your self looking for the ball short of the hazard, etc. it is not known or virtually certain it is in the condition. Gail Hi Phil, Since the legal system has used reasonable evidence for years and it means over 50%, the Rules of Golf Committee wanted a term that meant 99.9%. FOUND or Virtualy Certain means that to the Ruels of Golf Committee and now to all of us as players. We are either going to find the ball in the condition, or there is no other place it can be.

If you find your self looking for the ball short of the hazard, etc. it is not known or virtually certain it is in the condition.

Gail

]]> By: Philip http://www.ncga.org/2007/12/05/ncga-rules-situations-lost-ball/comment-page-1/#comment-517 Philip Sat, 12 Jan 2008 05:10:03 +0000 http://www.ncga.org/2007/12/05/ncga-rules-situations-lost-ball/#comment-517 In the new phrase "virtually certain" what is the definitin of this and its limits verus 'reasonable evidence". Who must agree (players,caddie etc) that it is 'virtually certain' as in the case of a lost ball in abnormal ground conditions Thanks In the new phrase “virtually certain” what is the definitin of this and its limits verus ‘reasonable evidence”.

Who must agree (players,caddie etc) that it is ‘virtually certain’ as in the case of a lost ball in abnormal ground conditions

Thanks

]]> By: Philip http://www.ncga.org/2007/12/05/ncga-rules-situations-lost-ball/comment-page-1/#comment-509 Philip Mon, 07 Jan 2008 01:36:46 +0000 http://www.ncga.org/2007/12/05/ncga-rules-situations-lost-ball/#comment-509 Jeff, 'luck' does not enter into it. In my mind I was playing to rule 27-2a and the intent of the rules of golf. I was foolish not to use the word 'provisional'. The other statements in the decisions of golf can be interpreted as not a 'provisional' ball...although people use these terms everyday with the "intent" of playing a "provisional" ball - they would be both foolish and unlucky if someone called them on it - imo. Jeff, ‘luck’ does not enter into it. In my mind I was playing to rule 27-2a and the intent of the rules of golf. I was foolish not to use the word ‘provisional’.

The other statements in the decisions of golf can be interpreted as not a ‘provisional’ ball…although people use these terms everyday with the “intent” of playing a “provisional” ball – they would be both foolish and unlucky if someone called them on it – imo.

]]> By: Jeff Greenbaum http://www.ncga.org/2007/12/05/ncga-rules-situations-lost-ball/comment-page-1/#comment-449 Jeff Greenbaum Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:27:37 +0000 http://www.ncga.org/2007/12/05/ncga-rules-situations-lost-ball/#comment-449 Perfectly clear: So, If you "know" you are going to hit a great shot after striking a ball that might be OB, then assume it is OB and play on. Of course, you never can a"know" when you will knock it that close, so most of the time you will be better off declaring a provisional. A lucky break for this chap for sure, but now I understand the rules better - thanks... Perfectly clear: So, If you “know” you are going to hit a great shot after striking a ball that might be OB, then assume it is OB and play on. Of course, you never can a”know” when you will knock it that close, so most of the time you will be better off declaring a provisional. A lucky break for this chap for sure, but now I understand the rules better – thanks…

]]> By: Jimmy Becker http://www.ncga.org/2007/12/05/ncga-rules-situations-lost-ball/comment-page-1/#comment-448 Jimmy Becker Thu, 20 Dec 2007 23:07:57 +0000 http://www.ncga.org/2007/12/05/ncga-rules-situations-lost-ball/#comment-448 Phillip, Decision 27-2a/1 covers the announcement requirements for a provisional ball. The player's statement must specifically mention the words "provisional ball" or must make it clear that he is proceeding under Rule 27-2a. In this case, stating that you better hit another ball just in case that you ball might have gone OB is going to be fine because your intention is to play a provisional ball even though you did not actually say "provisional ball." That decision does cover some examples of statements that would not meet this condition, so review those for your knowledge. Jimmy Becker Assistant Director of Rules & Competitions Phillip,

Decision 27-2a/1 covers the announcement requirements for a provisional ball. The player’s statement must specifically mention the words “provisional ball” or must make it clear that he is proceeding under Rule 27-2a. In this case, stating that you better hit another ball just in case that you ball might have gone OB is going to be fine because your intention is to play a provisional ball even though you did not actually say “provisional ball.” That decision does cover some examples of statements that would not meet this condition, so review those for your knowledge.

Jimmy Becker
Assistant Director of Rules & Competitions

]]> By: Philip http://www.ncga.org/2007/12/05/ncga-rules-situations-lost-ball/comment-page-1/#comment-433 Philip Sat, 15 Dec 2007 04:06:26 +0000 http://www.ncga.org/2007/12/05/ncga-rules-situations-lost-ball/#comment-433 Is "I better hit another ball in case that has gone OB" the same as saying " I am hitting a provisional ball". If not why not ? Is “I better hit another ball in case that has gone OB” the same as saying ” I am hitting a provisional ball”. If not why not ?

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