17 Responses to “Club Officers Discussion – Handicapping”
Jerry Walton writes:
To Whom It May Concern:
My name is Jerry Walton my wife and I received our handicap around the first of the year. My posting number is 1901930. I have not received the handicap card as this date (10-1-08). Could someone please help or at lest direct me where to contact someone that could help. Thank you
Jerry Walton
October 1st, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Matt Magers writes:
Mr. Walton,
First I apologize that your post was not addressed sooner. Unfortunately member cards were not issued in 2008. We will issue a member card in 2009 that will be part of a larger member rewards program. I encourage you to renew your membership with your club so you can take advantage of this new program. If you have additional questions please contact Mary Baken at mbaken@ncga.org.
Best regards,
Matt Magers
Executive Director
October 30th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Ray writes:
A club member just noticed that there is an “M” next to his index. What does that mean exactly and where can I find an explanation of the various letters next to index ratings?
Thanks
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Jim Cowan writes:
Ray – thank you for your comment. The “M” would indicate that your club has “Modified” the Handicap Index of this individual. In other words, deliberate action on the part of your club to modify the Handicap Index to a higher or lower level than the normal best 10 of 20 most recent score calculation would have produced. Here are the different Handicap types directly from the USGA Handicap System Manual. For more info refer to Section 8-4 of the USGA Handicap System Manual available on-line via the USGA website (www.usga.org) Thank – Jim Cowan.
Handicap Type
Throughout this manual, different types of handicaps are identified by letter designations. Each “handicap type” is identified as follows:
L = Local handicap
M = Handicap modified by the Handicap Committee
N = Nine-hole Handicap Index
NL = Local nine-hole handicap
R = Handicap automatically reduced for exceptional tournament performance
SL = Short Course Handicap
WD = Handicap withdrawn by the Handicap Committee
February 23rd, 2009 at 12:39 pm
rich ellingson writes:
Recently received notice of one of my members Index was lowered from 6.3 to 4.6 for
NCGA Tournament play. Checking his new Index for March 1t did not reflect the new Index. I understand that only the club can change it after reviewing his posted scores. If after reviewing the posted scores nothing seems abnormal do we just let the old Index stay. Thanks for your advise
March 1st, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Jim Cowan writes:
Rich – thank you for your comment. As you are aware, our “number” is for NCGA play only and is not to be confused with a so-called “official” Handicap Index. Your club is the one and only entity that can adjust the Handicap Index of a member. If your experience with the golfer is such that you feel 6.3 accurately reflects his “potential” ability, no action on your part is required. Thanks again – Jim Cowan
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:15 am
Ray writes:
Hello,
I am a new club handicap officer. When will the handicap seminars be available?
Thanks
March 16th, 2009 at 7:36 am
Jim Cowan writes:
Ray – thank you for your comment. We will have the schedule finalized within the next two weeks. All clubs will be notified of the schedule. Thanks again – Jim Cowan
March 20th, 2009 at 8:25 am
Ray writes:
Thanks Jim!
March 22nd, 2009 at 6:54 pm
Curtis Larraux writes:
Hello, I am responding to Jim Cowan’s article NCGA Net Score Database, just last month my index was 14.8, now 8.8R. I would love to be this low but since my home course is Deep Cliff par 60 and I play every week at this course I have great rounds sometimes and in this case two tournement rounds 5/25/08 64, and 2/28/09 66. I feel that going too Poppy Hills and Blackhorse and playing the 4 man tourney 5/26/09 5/27/09 with a 8.8R is not right,in the last 5 years you will notice that I have never posted below 86 on any par 72. I believe this two tournement held low score for 1 year is not fair to someone who post’s every round at a home course in which you know so well, average of 20 rounds period is the only way to a true handicap,I can shoot a low score at home, but away on a longer course I am sorry to say about a bogey golfer, I really think and know it for a fact that I’m a 14.8 index if you left out this 1 year rule. Please explain this ” R ” next to my index, some say reduced, some say restricted, is this the gentlemans way of saying sandbag? Please check my scores and the places I have played, this will show that I am not a 8.8R. My # is 7311117, thank you CL
April 27th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Jim Cowan writes:
Curtis – Thank you for your comment. The NCGA Net Score Database program has absolutely nothing to do with the R handicap that you have been issued. As the column indicated, the NCGA does not/cannot impact your “official” Handicap Index. The R handicap is an automatic part of the USGA Handicap System. Every single handicap issued in the country is computed in this manner. In short, the goal of the USGA Handicap System is to issue an Index which best describes a golfer’s “potential” ability. “Potential,” for these purposes, is measured by a review of a golfer’s 10 best of 20 most recent rounds AND by a review of the golfer’s two best T-scores of the past twelve months. Basically the System is examining the size of the gap between the best 10 of 20 number and these two T-scores. If the System feels the gap is too wide, an automatic reduction kicks in. In April, your best 10 of 20 number worked out to a 13.5. Your two best T-scores averaged 6.1. Based upon this 7.4 stroke gap, an 8.8R was issued. Had it not be issued, your tournament score from last Saturday (8.3) would have been more than five strokes lower than your handicap. I’m sorry if your game does not travel well to longer courses, but what about those you are competing against in tournaments at Deep Cliff? After all, you played 10.5 and 6.1 strokes under your handicap in the two tournaments causing the reduction. You have to look at the situation from all angles which is what the System did by finding some middle-ground between your best 10 of 20 number and your low T-scores. Thanks again – Jim Cowan.
May 1st, 2009 at 11:25 am
Ray writes:
Jim,
I just played in a 2 day tournament on a course that is a 70.0/119
The winner was a 10 index who shot net 68 and net 64 for a net 132. According to what you said at the seminar last week it seems highly unlikely that this should happen. The next closes scores were net 137 and net 142. Since the winner will have to post T scores will his index go down? It’s pretty discouraging to say the least.
What do you think a winning score should be on a course like this?
June 7th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Jim Cowan writes:
Ray, thank you for your comment. Just the addition of two low scores to the golfer’s record will more than likely lower his handicap fairly significantly by next month. Whether a reduction will kick in is difficult to tell. One, it depends on how many tournament rounds have been credited to him in the past twelve months. Two, it depends on whether he has any other exceptional T-scores in his record (the 64 would likely qualify, the 68 would not). Three, it all comes down to the gap between his future best 10 of 20 number each month and the two lowest T-scores. Chances are his best 10 of 20 number will remain fairly low until the two T-scores work their way out of his 20 most recent rounds. At that point if the best 10 of 20 number shoots way up, a reduction could kick in (since the gap would get wider again). That is what often happens. The reduction doesn’t kick in immediately. Generally speaking the 137 score sounds like a good and reasonable winning score. It would indicate that the golfer played three strokes under his handicap over the two days. Thanks again and thanks for attending our recent seminar – Jim Cowan
June 8th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
Thomas L. Dyer writes:
I’m the VP of the French Camp Golf Club. We had a new member sign up to join us this week. I don’t have his ghin yet, but I do know he joined four clubs on 9/01/09. He changed his name slightly on each. How can I get his ghin, and how can I tell if he has more than one ghin? Our game is based on trust and honesty. I personally take this as a insult. Thanks tomdyer10@comcast.net.
He is listed as Robert Tucker, Robert D. Tucker & Robert E. Tucker.
Thanks again.
September 4th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
Jim Cowan writes:
Thomas, thank you for your comment. The NCGA presently has two Robert Tuckers, one Robert D and one Robert E. All four have different addresses, different e-mail addresses, etc., so they certainly appear to be different people. One of the Roberts joined your club earlier this year (April) and is still listed as “active” on your roster and posted scores from French Camp as recenting as a couple of weeks ago. I will send you his existing number via e-mail. Thanks again – Jim Cowan.
September 8th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Paul Yohanan writes:
I tried to qualify in the masters division stroke play at stevinson on 06/19/2010. I did not post my score.I checked the next day and an TI was posted for me (83).A week later I went back online and another T score was posted for a round on the 21st(82).My index is a 3.2 and I did have a triple bogey,So the 82 was a correct adjustment.My question is why there are two scores posted ?
June 9th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
Dick Nunke writes:
We had a member post a T-score that had a net differential of -6. Reviewing his records on http://WWW.GHINCLUB.NET shows that he has nine tournament scores for the last year. It also shows the lowest six T-scores, five of which are below his current index. This may be unusual and I would like to calculate the net differential for each of these scores. The problem is since switching to semi-monthly revision periods, http://WWW.GHIN.COM has less than a year’s worth of historical handicap index data. So how can a net differential be calculated for a t-score more than six months old?
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To Whom It May Concern:
My name is Jerry Walton my wife and I received our handicap around the first of the year. My posting number is 1901930. I have not received the handicap card as this date (10-1-08). Could someone please help or at lest direct me where to contact someone that could help. Thank you
Jerry Walton
October 1st, 2008 at 12:08 pmMr. Walton,
October 30th, 2008 at 1:16 pmFirst I apologize that your post was not addressed sooner. Unfortunately member cards were not issued in 2008. We will issue a member card in 2009 that will be part of a larger member rewards program. I encourage you to renew your membership with your club so you can take advantage of this new program. If you have additional questions please contact Mary Baken at mbaken@ncga.org.
Best regards,
Matt Magers
Executive Director
A club member just noticed that there is an “M” next to his index. What does that mean exactly and where can I find an explanation of the various letters next to index ratings?
Thanks
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:09 pmRay – thank you for your comment. The “M” would indicate that your club has “Modified” the Handicap Index of this individual. In other words, deliberate action on the part of your club to modify the Handicap Index to a higher or lower level than the normal best 10 of 20 most recent score calculation would have produced. Here are the different Handicap types directly from the USGA Handicap System Manual. For more info refer to Section 8-4 of the USGA Handicap System Manual available on-line via the USGA website (www.usga.org) Thank – Jim Cowan.
Handicap Type
Throughout this manual, different types of handicaps are identified by letter designations. Each “handicap type” is identified as follows:
L = Local handicap
February 23rd, 2009 at 12:39 pmM = Handicap modified by the Handicap Committee
N = Nine-hole Handicap Index
NL = Local nine-hole handicap
R = Handicap automatically reduced for exceptional tournament performance
SL = Short Course Handicap
WD = Handicap withdrawn by the Handicap Committee
Recently received notice of one of my members Index was lowered from 6.3 to 4.6 for
March 1st, 2009 at 3:00 pmNCGA Tournament play. Checking his new Index for March 1t did not reflect the new Index. I understand that only the club can change it after reviewing his posted scores. If after reviewing the posted scores nothing seems abnormal do we just let the old Index stay. Thanks for your advise
Rich – thank you for your comment. As you are aware, our “number” is for NCGA play only and is not to be confused with a so-called “official” Handicap Index. Your club is the one and only entity that can adjust the Handicap Index of a member. If your experience with the golfer is such that you feel 6.3 accurately reflects his “potential” ability, no action on your part is required. Thanks again – Jim Cowan
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:15 amHello,
I am a new club handicap officer. When will the handicap seminars be available?
Thanks
March 16th, 2009 at 7:36 amRay – thank you for your comment. We will have the schedule finalized within the next two weeks. All clubs will be notified of the schedule. Thanks again – Jim Cowan
March 20th, 2009 at 8:25 amThanks Jim!
March 22nd, 2009 at 6:54 pmHello, I am responding to Jim Cowan’s article NCGA Net Score Database, just last month my index was 14.8, now 8.8R. I would love to be this low but since my home course is Deep Cliff par 60 and I play every week at this course I have great rounds sometimes and in this case two tournement rounds 5/25/08 64, and 2/28/09 66. I feel that going too Poppy Hills and Blackhorse and playing the 4 man tourney 5/26/09 5/27/09 with a 8.8R is not right,in the last 5 years you will notice that I have never posted below 86 on any par 72. I believe this two tournement held low score for 1 year is not fair to someone who post’s every round at a home course in which you know so well, average of 20 rounds period is the only way to a true handicap,I can shoot a low score at home, but away on a longer course I am sorry to say about a bogey golfer, I really think and know it for a fact that I’m a 14.8 index if you left out this 1 year rule. Please explain this ” R ” next to my index, some say reduced, some say restricted, is this the gentlemans way of saying sandbag? Please check my scores and the places I have played, this will show that I am not a 8.8R. My # is 7311117, thank you CL
April 27th, 2009 at 8:23 pmCurtis – Thank you for your comment. The NCGA Net Score Database program has absolutely nothing to do with the R handicap that you have been issued. As the column indicated, the NCGA does not/cannot impact your “official” Handicap Index. The R handicap is an automatic part of the USGA Handicap System. Every single handicap issued in the country is computed in this manner. In short, the goal of the USGA Handicap System is to issue an Index which best describes a golfer’s “potential” ability. “Potential,” for these purposes, is measured by a review of a golfer’s 10 best of 20 most recent rounds AND by a review of the golfer’s two best T-scores of the past twelve months. Basically the System is examining the size of the gap between the best 10 of 20 number and these two T-scores. If the System feels the gap is too wide, an automatic reduction kicks in. In April, your best 10 of 20 number worked out to a 13.5. Your two best T-scores averaged 6.1. Based upon this 7.4 stroke gap, an 8.8R was issued. Had it not be issued, your tournament score from last Saturday (8.3) would have been more than five strokes lower than your handicap. I’m sorry if your game does not travel well to longer courses, but what about those you are competing against in tournaments at Deep Cliff? After all, you played 10.5 and 6.1 strokes under your handicap in the two tournaments causing the reduction. You have to look at the situation from all angles which is what the System did by finding some middle-ground between your best 10 of 20 number and your low T-scores. Thanks again – Jim Cowan.
May 1st, 2009 at 11:25 amJim,
I just played in a 2 day tournament on a course that is a 70.0/119
The winner was a 10 index who shot net 68 and net 64 for a net 132. According to what you said at the seminar last week it seems highly unlikely that this should happen. The next closes scores were net 137 and net 142. Since the winner will have to post T scores will his index go down? It’s pretty discouraging to say the least.
What do you think a winning score should be on a course like this?
June 7th, 2009 at 10:37 pmRay, thank you for your comment. Just the addition of two low scores to the golfer’s record will more than likely lower his handicap fairly significantly by next month. Whether a reduction will kick in is difficult to tell. One, it depends on how many tournament rounds have been credited to him in the past twelve months. Two, it depends on whether he has any other exceptional T-scores in his record (the 64 would likely qualify, the 68 would not). Three, it all comes down to the gap between his future best 10 of 20 number each month and the two lowest T-scores. Chances are his best 10 of 20 number will remain fairly low until the two T-scores work their way out of his 20 most recent rounds. At that point if the best 10 of 20 number shoots way up, a reduction could kick in (since the gap would get wider again). That is what often happens. The reduction doesn’t kick in immediately. Generally speaking the 137 score sounds like a good and reasonable winning score. It would indicate that the golfer played three strokes under his handicap over the two days. Thanks again and thanks for attending our recent seminar – Jim Cowan
June 8th, 2009 at 7:29 pmI’m the VP of the French Camp Golf Club. We had a new member sign up to join us this week. I don’t have his ghin yet, but I do know he joined four clubs on 9/01/09. He changed his name slightly on each. How can I get his ghin, and how can I tell if he has more than one ghin? Our game is based on trust and honesty. I personally take this as a insult. Thanks tomdyer10@comcast.net.
He is listed as Robert Tucker, Robert D. Tucker & Robert E. Tucker.
September 4th, 2009 at 8:04 pmThanks again.
Thomas, thank you for your comment. The NCGA presently has two Robert Tuckers, one Robert D and one Robert E. All four have different addresses, different e-mail addresses, etc., so they certainly appear to be different people. One of the Roberts joined your club earlier this year (April) and is still listed as “active” on your roster and posted scores from French Camp as recenting as a couple of weeks ago. I will send you his existing number via e-mail. Thanks again – Jim Cowan.
September 8th, 2009 at 11:31 amI tried to qualify in the masters division stroke play at stevinson on 06/19/2010. I did not post my score.I checked the next day and an TI was posted for me (83).A week later I went back online and another T score was posted for a round on the 21st(82).My index is a 3.2 and I did have a triple bogey,So the 82 was a correct adjustment.My question is why there are two scores posted ?
June 9th, 2010 at 3:41 pmWe had a member post a T-score that had a net differential of -6. Reviewing his records on http://WWW.GHINCLUB.NET shows that he has nine tournament scores for the last year. It also shows the lowest six T-scores, five of which are below his current index. This may be unusual and I would like to calculate the net differential for each of these scores. The problem is since switching to semi-monthly revision periods, http://WWW.GHIN.COM has less than a year’s worth of historical handicap index data. So how can a net differential be calculated for a t-score more than six months old?
July 6th, 2010 at 10:03 am