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	<title>Comments on: California State Golf Tax Defeated</title>
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		<title>By: RIC GOMEZ</title>
		<link>http://www.ncga.org/2009/02/17/elp-fight-the-california-state-golf-tax/comment-page-2/#comment-1674</link>
		<dc:creator>RIC GOMEZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 23:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I WOULD JUST LIKE TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO PLAY GOLF. WITH GREEN FEE&#039;S AT SOME COURSES REACHING $65.00 AN UP, PLUS CART IT&#039;S DIFFICULT. SOMETHING SHOULD BE DONE TO MAKE THEM MORE AFFORDABLE ALSO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I WOULD JUST LIKE TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO PLAY GOLF. WITH GREEN FEE&#8217;S AT SOME COURSES REACHING $65.00 AN UP, PLUS CART IT&#8217;S DIFFICULT. SOMETHING SHOULD BE DONE TO MAKE THEM MORE AFFORDABLE ALSO.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.ncga.org/2009/02/17/elp-fight-the-california-state-golf-tax/comment-page-2/#comment-1567</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 02:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree in part there should be no sales tax on greens fees but believe that there should be a sales tax on equipment rentals.

When a person or business rents an apartment or office there is no sales tax on the rent paid.  The rent is for the use of real estate.  Greens fees are for the temporary use of the golf course, real estate.

However if you rent a car from Hertz or a tool from an equipment rental you will pay sales tax.  Cars and tools are personal property.  So if you rent a golf cart, golf clubs or a bucket of balls you should have to pay sales tax just like every other person that rents personal property.

Golf courses that include cart or range balls in their greens fees will have to unbundle the charges in order to charge the sales tax, which they can add to the rental fee or make the sales tax included in the rentale fee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree in part there should be no sales tax on greens fees but believe that there should be a sales tax on equipment rentals.</p>
<p>When a person or business rents an apartment or office there is no sales tax on the rent paid.  The rent is for the use of real estate.  Greens fees are for the temporary use of the golf course, real estate.</p>
<p>However if you rent a car from Hertz or a tool from an equipment rental you will pay sales tax.  Cars and tools are personal property.  So if you rent a golf cart, golf clubs or a bucket of balls you should have to pay sales tax just like every other person that rents personal property.</p>
<p>Golf courses that include cart or range balls in their greens fees will have to unbundle the charges in order to charge the sales tax, which they can add to the rental fee or make the sales tax included in the rentale fee.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.ncga.org/2009/02/17/elp-fight-the-california-state-golf-tax/comment-page-2/#comment-1565</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 04:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adding tax to this already expensive sport will generate a negative affect. More cost to all areas of golf will mean less rounds, less tournaments, less work, less revenue, less workers, less maintanence, all lead to closures and less muni courses to support the city. I just hope this doesn&#039;t happen, I may have to close my NCGA club, due to less members. And this means less revenue for NCGA/Jr Golf/1st Tee. I vote will vote to increase other things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adding tax to this already expensive sport will generate a negative affect. More cost to all areas of golf will mean less rounds, less tournaments, less work, less revenue, less workers, less maintanence, all lead to closures and less muni courses to support the city. I just hope this doesn&#8217;t happen, I may have to close my NCGA club, due to less members. And this means less revenue for NCGA/Jr Golf/1st Tee. I vote will vote to increase other things.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://www.ncga.org/2009/02/17/elp-fight-the-california-state-golf-tax/comment-page-2/#comment-1561</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 06:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because these inept losers in Sacramento can&#039;t balance their checkbook, they have to try to hit on people that can! This is disgraceful to our &quot;so called democracy&quot;.  For starters, why doesn&#039;t the state STOP paying all the medical bills of illegal alients (whose tab by the way is in the billions - literally!?  Or at least have Mexico pay for the medical bills of their native sons and daughters. 

What a shame when the &quot;once&quot; greatest state in the union becomes a land of socialism and Marxists who are trying their hardest to rob us of our freedoms, civil rights, and hard earned money.  I was born in this state and have lived here all my life, and I&#039;m so sickened by it, that I&#039;m going to leave her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because these inept losers in Sacramento can&#8217;t balance their checkbook, they have to try to hit on people that can! This is disgraceful to our &#8220;so called democracy&#8221;.  For starters, why doesn&#8217;t the state STOP paying all the medical bills of illegal alients (whose tab by the way is in the billions &#8211; literally!?  Or at least have Mexico pay for the medical bills of their native sons and daughters. </p>
<p>What a shame when the &#8220;once&#8221; greatest state in the union becomes a land of socialism and Marxists who are trying their hardest to rob us of our freedoms, civil rights, and hard earned money.  I was born in this state and have lived here all my life, and I&#8217;m so sickened by it, that I&#8217;m going to leave her.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.ncga.org/2009/02/17/elp-fight-the-california-state-golf-tax/comment-page-2/#comment-1550</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about just applying the sales tax to those courses that charge in excess off $150.00 per player in greens fee&#039;s? I don&#039;t think many &quot;budget&quot; concerned golfers play at these places anyway,or atleast not often. Those that do play courses such as Pebble can certainly afford it. That said , I am more against the tax being applied to auto repairs and vet services. These are things we all &quot;must&quot; have and it is a cheap shot to add tax to those, golf is optional, really, it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about just applying the sales tax to those courses that charge in excess off $150.00 per player in greens fee&#8217;s? I don&#8217;t think many &#8220;budget&#8221; concerned golfers play at these places anyway,or atleast not often. Those that do play courses such as Pebble can certainly afford it. That said , I am more against the tax being applied to auto repairs and vet services. These are things we all &#8220;must&#8221; have and it is a cheap shot to add tax to those, golf is optional, really, it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://www.ncga.org/2009/02/17/elp-fight-the-california-state-golf-tax/comment-page-2/#comment-1541</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 18:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the strengths of any association is it ability to lobby on issues that impact it&#039;s membership. The NCGA &amp; SCGA have created the California Alliance for Golf to do just that. ( check out their website)The fact that both associations are willing to take a stand on the &quot;tax&quot; issue as well as other issues,(think water usage),shows they are both proactive &amp; willing to respond to issues that impact the membership. You may not agree 100% on any given stance, but the fact they are doing &quot;issue management&quot; will help the industry in the long term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the strengths of any association is it ability to lobby on issues that impact it&#8217;s membership. The NCGA &amp; SCGA have created the California Alliance for Golf to do just that. ( check out their website)The fact that both associations are willing to take a stand on the &#8220;tax&#8221; issue as well as other issues,(think water usage),shows they are both proactive &amp; willing to respond to issues that impact the membership. You may not agree 100% on any given stance, but the fact they are doing &#8220;issue management&#8221; will help the industry in the long term.</p>
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		<title>By: ed anzore</title>
		<link>http://www.ncga.org/2009/02/17/elp-fight-the-california-state-golf-tax/comment-page-2/#comment-1538</link>
		<dc:creator>ed anzore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 23:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how about quit spending money on every pet project and spend OUR tax money wisely. going after golfing is ridiculous. sacramento needs to tighten its fiscal belt immediately</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how about quit spending money on every pet project and spend OUR tax money wisely. going after golfing is ridiculous. sacramento needs to tighten its fiscal belt immediately</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Moran</title>
		<link>http://www.ncga.org/2009/02/17/elp-fight-the-california-state-golf-tax/comment-page-2/#comment-1537</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Moran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a perfect example of gross misuse of the power of taxation. If we must raise taxes, make it equitable and tax all leisure/recreation activates/sports. 

I have no problem paying taxes in the greatest nation in the world. I just want it to be fair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a perfect example of gross misuse of the power of taxation. If we must raise taxes, make it equitable and tax all leisure/recreation activates/sports. </p>
<p>I have no problem paying taxes in the greatest nation in the world. I just want it to be fair.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://www.ncga.org/2009/02/17/elp-fight-the-california-state-golf-tax/comment-page-2/#comment-1535</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must admit I agree with everyone here who is against this tax. I do see the point of the supporters as well when they say something must be done. I feel evrything I do in life is being taxed. What&#039;s next, a s e x tax???? We pay our legislators to do a job. When someone doesn&#039;t do their job, I believe they are fired. Maybe we need the Donald in Sacramento. This tax will hurt the middle class more than anyone else. It will also affect junior golf, especially the underpriviliged kids who won&#039;t be able to afford the &quot;new rates&quot;. They will find their way back to streets. Chew on that one, Arnold!!!Will private country club golfers be taxed? I have nothing against CC golfers, but if this law gets passed, their dues and memberships should be taxed as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must admit I agree with everyone here who is against this tax. I do see the point of the supporters as well when they say something must be done. I feel evrything I do in life is being taxed. What&#8217;s next, a s e x tax???? We pay our legislators to do a job. When someone doesn&#8217;t do their job, I believe they are fired. Maybe we need the Donald in Sacramento. This tax will hurt the middle class more than anyone else. It will also affect junior golf, especially the underpriviliged kids who won&#8217;t be able to afford the &#8220;new rates&#8221;. They will find their way back to streets. Chew on that one, Arnold!!!Will private country club golfers be taxed? I have nothing against CC golfers, but if this law gets passed, their dues and memberships should be taxed as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Thompson</title>
		<link>http://www.ncga.org/2009/02/17/elp-fight-the-california-state-golf-tax/comment-page-2/#comment-1529</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Government is so inept.  State and federal.  They create more problems than they solve and their only solution is to raise our taxes.  The only thing they really know how to do is spend our money but there is never enough for them to spend. Obama says &quot;we&quot; have to make tough choices in this economy but again his only solution is to spend our money.  Where are his tough choices?  Anyone can spend money.  The tough choices, the choices that will make a difference in the long run is to cut spending, get rid of government programs that are inefficient and if they want to stimulate the economy then the most pure, unfiltered way to get immediate stimulus would be to cut everyone&#039;s taxes across the board.  Cut income tax, cut gasoline tax, cut every tax possible and see the economy start moving immediately.  Ok fixing our infrastructure would be good but for the most part if we let government do anything they will most likely screw it up.  They have the record to prove it regardless of political party.  
Also we should have laws against putting any propositions on our state ballots if money isn&#039;t there to pay for it.  It is sheer stupidity to be able to vote for something that there is no money to pay for (without raising taxes).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Government is so inept.  State and federal.  They create more problems than they solve and their only solution is to raise our taxes.  The only thing they really know how to do is spend our money but there is never enough for them to spend. Obama says &#8220;we&#8221; have to make tough choices in this economy but again his only solution is to spend our money.  Where are his tough choices?  Anyone can spend money.  The tough choices, the choices that will make a difference in the long run is to cut spending, get rid of government programs that are inefficient and if they want to stimulate the economy then the most pure, unfiltered way to get immediate stimulus would be to cut everyone&#8217;s taxes across the board.  Cut income tax, cut gasoline tax, cut every tax possible and see the economy start moving immediately.  Ok fixing our infrastructure would be good but for the most part if we let government do anything they will most likely screw it up.  They have the record to prove it regardless of political party.<br />
Also we should have laws against putting any propositions on our state ballots if money isn&#8217;t there to pay for it.  It is sheer stupidity to be able to vote for something that there is no money to pay for (without raising taxes).</p>
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