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	<title>Comments on: We&#8217;re All Slow Golfers</title>
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		<title>By: TimG</title>
		<link>http://www.ncga.org/2009/04/12/we%e2%80%99re-all-slow-golfers/comment-page-2/#comment-2625</link>
		<dc:creator>TimG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! what a bunch of babies.  Are you the same guys that wanted to make the hole larger for amateurs to help speed play.  Each game has it&#039;s own flow, adjust.  If golf were a 5 hour game would you still play?  Some courses are fast playing low challenge venues, maybe you might want to play them more often.

If the Marshall told the group in front of you pick up and skip a hole would you follow suit to facilitate the golfers waiting many holes behind you? Why not? Oh that&#039;s different, your an innocent bystander.

Putting is a very important part of the game, and where you score, yet most of the comments suggest you should just slap that putt around quickly as if you were wiping up spilled water on a table, that&#039;s not golf.

The vast majority of suggestions here trample the rules and established etiquette.  Lose a ball, just drop another, no penalty! Play ready golf through the green, really?  

I guess there should be two types of courses, classical golf and neo-modern time management facilities.  

Slow play is within the same parameters as any &#039;rub of the green&#039; situation.  There is no easy fix or rule bending compromise that&#039;s going to shave 3.2 minutes per hole and thereby shortening your experience by 1 hour.

Baseball games and football games take more time than they used as well.  So do professional tournaments, have you quit watching them? 
Don&#039;t try to project responsibility for your misery and frustration onto the group in front of you.  Adapt and play your game.

Cell phones were mentioned.  One team play meeting at Poppy we were told that if a cell phone went off during a round the player was to be given a warning.  I asked what the consequences were if it rang again. I guess it was the wrong question because the answer was &#039;None.&#039;

Don&#039;t rail at what you can&#039;t fix, live with it or leave it.  When it becomes a more serious issue it will either mend itself or the rules will interject new penalties to fix it.  Until then complain all you want you poor innocent souls. And inform that member of your foursome that&#039;s slow that he won&#039;t be playing with you anymore until he learns to pick it up. 

We&#039;ve all been stuck with no Marshall&#039;s in sight, stay calm, stay and play within yourself. There&#039;s no easy or realistic solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! what a bunch of babies.  Are you the same guys that wanted to make the hole larger for amateurs to help speed play.  Each game has it&#8217;s own flow, adjust.  If golf were a 5 hour game would you still play?  Some courses are fast playing low challenge venues, maybe you might want to play them more often.</p>
<p>If the Marshall told the group in front of you pick up and skip a hole would you follow suit to facilitate the golfers waiting many holes behind you? Why not? Oh that&#8217;s different, your an innocent bystander.</p>
<p>Putting is a very important part of the game, and where you score, yet most of the comments suggest you should just slap that putt around quickly as if you were wiping up spilled water on a table, that&#8217;s not golf.</p>
<p>The vast majority of suggestions here trample the rules and established etiquette.  Lose a ball, just drop another, no penalty! Play ready golf through the green, really?  </p>
<p>I guess there should be two types of courses, classical golf and neo-modern time management facilities.  </p>
<p>Slow play is within the same parameters as any &#8216;rub of the green&#8217; situation.  There is no easy fix or rule bending compromise that&#8217;s going to shave 3.2 minutes per hole and thereby shortening your experience by 1 hour.</p>
<p>Baseball games and football games take more time than they used as well.  So do professional tournaments, have you quit watching them?<br />
Don&#8217;t try to project responsibility for your misery and frustration onto the group in front of you.  Adapt and play your game.</p>
<p>Cell phones were mentioned.  One team play meeting at Poppy we were told that if a cell phone went off during a round the player was to be given a warning.  I asked what the consequences were if it rang again. I guess it was the wrong question because the answer was &#8216;None.&#8217;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t rail at what you can&#8217;t fix, live with it or leave it.  When it becomes a more serious issue it will either mend itself or the rules will interject new penalties to fix it.  Until then complain all you want you poor innocent souls. And inform that member of your foursome that&#8217;s slow that he won&#8217;t be playing with you anymore until he learns to pick it up. </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve all been stuck with no Marshall&#8217;s in sight, stay calm, stay and play within yourself. There&#8217;s no easy or realistic solution.</p>
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		<title>By: stan blackketter</title>
		<link>http://www.ncga.org/2009/04/12/we%e2%80%99re-all-slow-golfers/comment-page-2/#comment-2605</link>
		<dc:creator>stan blackketter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>12 man match the first 4  played in 4 hrs
 last group played 5;45  SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE ABOUT MATCH PLAY</description>
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 last group played 5;45  SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE ABOUT MATCH PLAY</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Seward</title>
		<link>http://www.ncga.org/2009/04/12/we%e2%80%99re-all-slow-golfers/comment-page-2/#comment-2561</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Seward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JJ - What event did you have an issue with? Thanks for posting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJ &#8211; What event did you have an issue with? Thanks for posting.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
		<link>http://www.ncga.org/2009/04/12/we%e2%80%99re-all-slow-golfers/comment-page-2/#comment-2548</link>
		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 23:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The NCGA Pace of Play Policy is a joke and defunct.  The NCGA does not adhere to their own policy anymore and more players are starting to figure it out and take even more time on their shots.  The NCGA, when it comes to pace of play during a qualifier or champinship, is a joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NCGA Pace of Play Policy is a joke and defunct.  The NCGA does not adhere to their own policy anymore and more players are starting to figure it out and take even more time on their shots.  The NCGA, when it comes to pace of play during a qualifier or champinship, is a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Resa</title>
		<link>http://www.ncga.org/2009/04/12/we%e2%80%99re-all-slow-golfers/comment-page-2/#comment-2472</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Resa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 09:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I prefer about a 4-hour round. My philosophy is to take as much time over a shot as necessary to feel comfortable (personally that&#039;s one practice swing, a quick breath or two, and go, but for my father that might be 10 practice swings, then hack), but to get to your shot as quickly as possible. As such, I take off from the tee and start walking to my ball before my playing partners have teed off (walking in the rough/trees so as not to disturb them). Often I&#039;ll even have a better line on their shots and can help them find errant sprays as well. I play ready golf, within reason, as long as another player is not nearby where my practice swing or swing might be a distraction. Yes, I do slow down on the green, mainly because I fear being a distraction when we&#039;re all next to one another and &quot;putting for dough.&quot; With this philosophy then, you can see why I get incredibly annoyed by other golfers just casually strolling from shot to shot. It&#039;s the traveling time in between strokes that really adds to the round&#039;s length. I can only play ready golf one stroke at a time. I can hit a drive, approach, and start putting or chipping while my partners are still hitting to the green. So I have to wait anyway. One fast player might not speed up a slow group.

The other problem is, of course, the random golfer who only plays once in a great while. They don&#039;t know the etiquette, talk to one another between and during shots, stroll casually so that they can carry a conversation, even as one hits his ball, and then they drive or walk to the other ball. I sometimes have mixed feelings on the matter. Who am I to begrudge this player wanting to just have a relaxing and entertaining time on the golf course? I don&#039;t play golf to socialize, but many do. Is the course for them or me, or both? 

And yes, I do agree that some of the best golfers are the worst culprits of slow play. I found this when playing junior tournaments (I normally played match-play games in foursomes with my dad and friends). Everyone had to mark, everyone had to read putts for hours, etc. It infuriated me. 
However, when just playing friendly games, I don&#039;t notice that good players play slowly. Usually it&#039;s the opposite. Even if the good players are slow over the ball, they are very quick from place to place and generally save much more time in fewer strokes. The problem then is the playing partners not playing ready golf while the good player takes a longer time over the shot. It doesn&#039;t matter how long a player looks at a shot if everybody keeps up their own pace of play. 

My advice, after all that. Walk or ride quickly to your ball (and not your partner&#039;s) and play when ready. Pick up completely lost holes (go ahead and drop to practice if you have to wait on others anyway, but otherwise just pick up), play appropriate tees.

For the courses, maintain strict clocks for early players and early rounds. As the afternoon comes in, though, maybe quicker players like myself should yield to the desires of the social golfers a little and allow for a slower pace. Advertise that early rounds require a quick pace, and that later rounds require a slower pace (still require a pace though). Perhaps that will fit players with more appropriate tee times that might speed play for all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I prefer about a 4-hour round. My philosophy is to take as much time over a shot as necessary to feel comfortable (personally that&#8217;s one practice swing, a quick breath or two, and go, but for my father that might be 10 practice swings, then hack), but to get to your shot as quickly as possible. As such, I take off from the tee and start walking to my ball before my playing partners have teed off (walking in the rough/trees so as not to disturb them). Often I&#8217;ll even have a better line on their shots and can help them find errant sprays as well. I play ready golf, within reason, as long as another player is not nearby where my practice swing or swing might be a distraction. Yes, I do slow down on the green, mainly because I fear being a distraction when we&#8217;re all next to one another and &#8220;putting for dough.&#8221; With this philosophy then, you can see why I get incredibly annoyed by other golfers just casually strolling from shot to shot. It&#8217;s the traveling time in between strokes that really adds to the round&#8217;s length. I can only play ready golf one stroke at a time. I can hit a drive, approach, and start putting or chipping while my partners are still hitting to the green. So I have to wait anyway. One fast player might not speed up a slow group.</p>
<p>The other problem is, of course, the random golfer who only plays once in a great while. They don&#8217;t know the etiquette, talk to one another between and during shots, stroll casually so that they can carry a conversation, even as one hits his ball, and then they drive or walk to the other ball. I sometimes have mixed feelings on the matter. Who am I to begrudge this player wanting to just have a relaxing and entertaining time on the golf course? I don&#8217;t play golf to socialize, but many do. Is the course for them or me, or both? </p>
<p>And yes, I do agree that some of the best golfers are the worst culprits of slow play. I found this when playing junior tournaments (I normally played match-play games in foursomes with my dad and friends). Everyone had to mark, everyone had to read putts for hours, etc. It infuriated me.<br />
However, when just playing friendly games, I don&#8217;t notice that good players play slowly. Usually it&#8217;s the opposite. Even if the good players are slow over the ball, they are very quick from place to place and generally save much more time in fewer strokes. The problem then is the playing partners not playing ready golf while the good player takes a longer time over the shot. It doesn&#8217;t matter how long a player looks at a shot if everybody keeps up their own pace of play. </p>
<p>My advice, after all that. Walk or ride quickly to your ball (and not your partner&#8217;s) and play when ready. Pick up completely lost holes (go ahead and drop to practice if you have to wait on others anyway, but otherwise just pick up), play appropriate tees.</p>
<p>For the courses, maintain strict clocks for early players and early rounds. As the afternoon comes in, though, maybe quicker players like myself should yield to the desires of the social golfers a little and allow for a slower pace. Advertise that early rounds require a quick pace, and that later rounds require a slower pace (still require a pace though). Perhaps that will fit players with more appropriate tee times that might speed play for all.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris K</title>
		<link>http://www.ncga.org/2009/04/12/we%e2%80%99re-all-slow-golfers/comment-page-2/#comment-2393</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 04:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I played a round with some friends that took over 5 hours where it was all our own fault.  I was thoroughly frustrated with my group as 2 of the guys spent most of the round on their cel phone, checking email, and sending text messages and were never ready to hit when it was their turn.  These modern conveniences are also slowing up play.  I told them I would never go out with them again if they were going to use their PDAs throughout the round.  I told them my new rule . . . if you answer your phone on the course, you sit out the hole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I played a round with some friends that took over 5 hours where it was all our own fault.  I was thoroughly frustrated with my group as 2 of the guys spent most of the round on their cel phone, checking email, and sending text messages and were never ready to hit when it was their turn.  These modern conveniences are also slowing up play.  I told them I would never go out with them again if they were going to use their PDAs throughout the round.  I told them my new rule . . . if you answer your phone on the course, you sit out the hole.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnnie Walker</title>
		<link>http://www.ncga.org/2009/04/12/we%e2%80%99re-all-slow-golfers/comment-page-2/#comment-2377</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnnie Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, but shabby golf courses need to be fixed.  Thick rough means we are constantly looking for a ball.

At two courses, we now play trashed balls and our new rule: Do not search in the rough, place a ball and hit, no penalty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but shabby golf courses need to be fixed.  Thick rough means we are constantly looking for a ball.</p>
<p>At two courses, we now play trashed balls and our new rule: Do not search in the rough, place a ball and hit, no penalty.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim LaFayette</title>
		<link>http://www.ncga.org/2009/04/12/we%e2%80%99re-all-slow-golfers/comment-page-2/#comment-2365</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim LaFayette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 19:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh come on now....it takes time to plumb-bob that 4th and 5th putt. Can&#039;t rush those things.

The answer to faster play is a 12 or 18 inch rule. Pick it up if you aren&#039;t playing the US Open.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh come on now&#8230;.it takes time to plumb-bob that 4th and 5th putt. Can&#8217;t rush those things.</p>
<p>The answer to faster play is a 12 or 18 inch rule. Pick it up if you aren&#8217;t playing the US Open.</p>
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		<title>By: Armond</title>
		<link>http://www.ncga.org/2009/04/12/we%e2%80%99re-all-slow-golfers/comment-page-2/#comment-2335</link>
		<dc:creator>Armond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Untill golf courses take slow play seriously it will never change. Most players I am partnered with seem to be on a Sunday outing. The courses that do have marshalls are more player assistants than marshalls. They all seem to be afraid to police the players. I&#039;ve heard them actually say that if they mention anything to the slow players they might lose business. If all players arrived at the course ready to play ready golf every one would have a better round.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Untill golf courses take slow play seriously it will never change. Most players I am partnered with seem to be on a Sunday outing. The courses that do have marshalls are more player assistants than marshalls. They all seem to be afraid to police the players. I&#8217;ve heard them actually say that if they mention anything to the slow players they might lose business. If all players arrived at the course ready to play ready golf every one would have a better round.</p>
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		<title>By: John Kim</title>
		<link>http://www.ncga.org/2009/04/12/we%e2%80%99re-all-slow-golfers/comment-page-2/#comment-2328</link>
		<dc:creator>John Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I belong to a tough course and get furious when I see members/guests play from the wrong tees based on their skill level.  I&#039;m a 2 handicap, but I don&#039;t play the black tees because I don&#039;t have the distance.  This should apply to higher handicappers.  If their handicap and driver carry doesn&#039;t fit the longer tee boxes, they should play the forward tees.  It would make the rounds much more pleasurable for all that play.  I played at Industrial Hills in L.A. and the starter required us to show proof of handicap to play the back tees!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I belong to a tough course and get furious when I see members/guests play from the wrong tees based on their skill level.  I&#8217;m a 2 handicap, but I don&#8217;t play the black tees because I don&#8217;t have the distance.  This should apply to higher handicappers.  If their handicap and driver carry doesn&#8217;t fit the longer tee boxes, they should play the forward tees.  It would make the rounds much more pleasurable for all that play.  I played at Industrial Hills in L.A. and the starter required us to show proof of handicap to play the back tees!</p>
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