Comments on: Sandbagging – What can be done?

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By: Jim Cowan

Jim Cowan — Tue, 29 Jan 2013 18:24:16 +0000

Louie, thank you for your comment. I see that several Away scores have made it into your record this month alone along with one internet score. It would appear that the system is working properly for you. Send me an email ( jcowan@ncga.org ) with specific examples where a score you posted did not make it to your record. Thanks again – Jim Cowan, Director of Course Rating and Handicapping

By: Madrid, Louie

Madrid, Louie — Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:39:37 +0000

I post my scores at the golf course immediately after each round. Most of these scores are not being registered. My buddies and I discovered this when my index was not changing. I complained many times to NCGA with only intermittent corrections. NCGA has lost interest in my case and is ignoring my problem. My buddies witness every posting after every round to deflect thoughts of sandbagging. I have tried posting at home but that too is unreliable. My buddies and I have taken to calculating my index independently. NCGA has failed to suggest any alternatives and cannot explain to me why I seem to be the only one having this problem.

By: John Vasquez

John Vasquez — Mon, 26 Nov 2012 00:49:43 +0000

Our handicap chairman maintains a tournament handicap for each member in addition to the NCGA index. We use the lower of the two for tournament play. We figure the tournament handicaps the same way the NCGA does, using the best 10 of the last 20 tournament scores. A flaw in this system is that some people don’t play enough tournaments and so their last 20 tournament scores may go back a couple years. This system has worked very well for us and we rarley have to deal with a bagger winning too much. There is no perfect system, we can just do our best and use peer review. Nobody likes to ‘rat out’ another guy but we need to protect the field. As for the course rating and ESC systems, their fine, leave them alone.

By: Barry H

Barry H — Sat, 24 Nov 2012 20:06:59 +0000

Regarding the ‘tools’. Don’t blame the NCGA for a lack of them. Indexes come from USGA/GHIN. The publish a “Low Index”. There’s NO REASON the USGA/GHIN can’t publish a Tournament Index as well. They have the tools to do it.

By: Barry H

Barry H — Sat, 24 Nov 2012 20:01:34 +0000

We’ve initiated a practice were key tournaments are played at the lower of the payer’s Low Index over the past 12 months, or a Tournament Index (TI) over the past 14 months. The TI is calculated in the same way as a normal index, but using only T scores. The rationale is simple. For some, a ‘T’ index is a truer indication of a player’s potential than an LI. As Bobby Jones said: “There are two kinds of golf: Tournament Golf and regular golf. They are not the same.” (World Golf Hall of Fame).

By: Pete A

Pete A — Sat, 24 Nov 2012 16:50:34 +0000

Look …
HCP are for lesser players… If you need your HCP or are worried about others HCP…
keep playing but the only score that matters is the gross score…
Play straight up or go bowling…

By: John Frailey

John Frailey — Sat, 24 Nov 2012 01:48:41 +0000

I have personally seen sandbagging issues cleaned up and tournament participation increase at 3 clubs once mothly tournaments got posted as “T” scores, and your tournament index was the lower of the average of your 2 lower tournament scores, or your Index. Winners became more evenly distributed, winning scores were “believable” and all players were extremely supportive. It takes some extra work to do the math, and hopefully someday the USGA will have that calculation performed automatically, but it is well worth th effort. I think the key is to make sure monthly torunaments that result in postable rounds are entered as T scores. And please remove the ability for a player to post a T score. That should be reserved for the Handicap Committee or Pro Staff.

By: Kevin

Kevin — Thu, 22 Nov 2012 15:23:18 +0000

It is simple. Tournament scores should be the only scores that count for your handicap. These guys are sandbagging all the time and are winning events but dont have the guts to stick around recieve their trophy which means that they know they are being unfair. It is as simple as that, for events you use your tournament handicap and when you are back at your home club playing your group, sandbag all you want it only makes enemies.